Movie Mindset 12 - Road Trip! Horrifying Rides of Romero & Hooper

Extreme movie malpractice for y'all to endorse Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. And Will praising Bill Moseley's performance? Jesus Christ that may have been the most irritating and torturous movie I have ever sat through. Zero redeeming qualities. I thoroughly wish I had not seen it. And I'm a big fan of "bad" movies. But this was just a horrendously paced cluster fuck of a film. Some Of the worst directing, writing, acting, lighting, set design, special effects even! Just overall quite possibly the worst most disrespectful and abysmally disappointing sequel ever released on film. I'm mad at you for tricking me into watching it and it makes me seriously question your mindset credentials if you found that entertaining. Had to stay up late to watch this he og tcm as a palette cleanser. Tobe better have been in the throws of a debilitating cocaine habit to have his name attached to this low rent schlock. Uninspired, depressing, obnoxious, confusing, disjointed, disrespectful. Boo.

ETHAN C GIBSON

Leatherface should’ve played football brother was hustling with that chainsaw in another life he’d be a Dallas Cowboys DT

Jordan Brewer

just caught up with LIFEFORCE which is, indeed, a banger.

Rohmer Simpson

I used to have to pick up my uncle from a Tyson pork processing facility in the middle of the night when he got off after 2nd shift...the screams of the pigs being unloaded from the trucks still haunt me

chance

Watching chainsaw right now and it feels notable that Franklin mimics the airgun killing a cow 5 times, same as how many teens are walking into the slaughterhouse

Clay Perry

Hesse was totally right. There were tears in my eyes at the cut to black in Texas Chainsaw

Cody S

I mean her brother was a little annoying but he did save her. She clearly feels guilty for leaving him there even though he already seemed dead. Being hysterical seems justified in this case. I also think the incest thing is a stretch, not really sure where that comes from.

Jen

Great scene. I suppose from his perspective it’s a home invasion movie. (Pod and the Pendulum has a great 2 parter that looks at it from all kinds of angles)

James Burkeen

I never watched one of these before, and I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised. This has to be one of the best movie podcasts that I've seen. Most movie podcasts are really, really boring and provide nothing of substance to the viewer. I actually feel that I got a perspective that I wouldn't have found just anywhere, that and this episode was very entertaining.

Elias Eshelman

I am really weirded out by how Tom Savini from NotLD got no exposition. He literally learned how to make the gore shocking and realistic by sketching viscera in Vietnam. Romero would arguably be nowhere without this artist. Savini is the one who grabs the attention of the generation that watched war unfold at the kitchen table never knowing when it would be their turn. Date night for a population suffering from helplessness-based anxiety and trauma-induced sexual pathology needed this shock to avoid the overt racial themes long enough to make it a big hit.

Chuck Skooch

I still have to watch “Don’t Answer the Phone” at some point for childhood VHS box fear catharsis

J.P. McD.

I feel sad that kids no longer walk down the horror aisle at blockbuster and look at scary box art to test their courage.

Andrew Mueller

When I grow up I want to be the wretched capering of the damned 🖤

ploob

Had to stop and watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre halfway through. God damn this is good.

Coleman Cox

Hearing that theme song again was a balm to my troubled soul.

Tim O'

I’d only ever watched snippets of NOTWD; just watched and -wow! Those zombies know how car doors work, and they use tools! Wicked!

OtherRussert

'black maria' has another more on the nose meaning ...

Anders Scholl

I’ve been to a certified organic slaughter house in MA and it was the second worst place I’ve been in my life. Right behind Dachau.

Clammy_Damp

Any mention of Lifeforce is a win for the universe.

Khemith

Listening to them discuss other good Romero movies, screaming at my stereo: "MARTIN!"

Michael

Awesome épisode you guys made my evening

Riley Bloomer-Ludwig

I love that little moment in tcm where after leatherface kills the glasses guy he sits down in his living room, clearly distressed, with his head in his hands like he’s trying to figure out who all these fucking people are lol

I am become reply guy

she just like me fr fr

Valerie

I love this ‘cast but Hesse really needs an “It’s crazy” jar

Nick Muscatiello

No, we had an escaped drug trafficker who was released in his own recognizance and then did show up for court. It happened the same week.

Drew Mancini

The escaped murder is running around EASTERN Pennsylvania, not Western, my Dad lives out there. Unfortunately the murderer did not pay him a visit

Cam C

best Romero movie!

Ry Mar

Movie mindset has been succeeding in its goal for me lately. I’ve started pausing the episode and watching the movies before you spoil them cuz they sound so good. So I end up actually watching the movie, interestingly, after watching the movie the episode is a little boring. But I still watch the movies and now there is one more believer in the movie mindset.

Robert Coombs

Actually, they were saying Boo! to all of the other Chapos, but to you specifically they were saying boo(you suck) if it makes you feel any better.

the Minneapolis Kid

You know what's crazy, the dad guy was partially right about barricading themselves in the basement

Lake Koiki

Acktually, I think it was hammer-gun. Just super humane, bless their hearts.

Adrienne Suydam

Kind of guy who is behind by a whole season.

Adrienne Suydam

Killing cows with a hammer instead of gun sounds like it could be sick twist on the John Henry tall tail

Jimmy McMillan

Judge Holden is always dancing

Post Void

This podcast was wildly irresponsible. I have a heart condition and the one host doing that jump scare by saying 'Boo!', nearly caused me to have an incident. It also made me feel like they disapproved of me.

SkinnyTonySoprano

Will practically hyperventilating

godruler

wasn’t expecting a shout out to Coalinga 🐄 🐄 💩 real California Mindset hrs from Will! Love to hear it

Shivvy

Good stuff team

Chad Dopamine

my family's been here a long, long time...

jfk truther

Anyone know why the news broadcasts in NOTLD show daylight but it's supposed to be nighttime? Is this just a continuity error or? Great episode BTW. Very excited for the rest.

Austin

The Sawyer family is to Texas as what the Gonsoulin family is to Louisiana

Mary Mallone

First negative thing I've seen anyone say about Savini's, wow

Dustin Nelson

Seen Eggshells? Hoopers first film, its on the UK disc of TCM2 and I think the Black Maria editon of the tcm bluray

Dustin Nelson

It is odd that "Maria" is being pronounced "Mariah" here, possible error but I know this was made in a big hurry off 1-2 viewings so I'm letting the mistakes go

Dustin Nelson

cool man. good

will michel

I always wondered what the “Black Maria” reference in The Guns of Brixton by The Clash was about.

Dave Reinhardt

Daniel Dermont

Your mentions of Hooper's other films reminded me that my dad was a Hooper fanboy. Hooper head. We watched all those other films on VHS. I've found over the years that my dad watched pretty much anything by Carpenter,Hooper,DePalma,and many others. I only recently realized some films were connected or rather directed by the same directors. Wes Craven the list goes on. It's been fun revisiting these classics and realizing that my fandom for music now is similar to his for film. I love film as well for sure thanks to my dad. I saw Chainsaw 2 before 1 actually since I wasn't born until after 1 came out. 1 was far more brutal and less comical than 2. Excellent spooky series so far. Come by Movie Madness if you're ever in Portland. It's like being back at the videostore with dear old dad back in the 80's and 90's. Nice Crypt Keeper laugh at the end Will. Keep up the good work! This episode gets 5 out of 5 toilet ghoulies!Hesse and Will,please keep making this series. So good🙏

James Browning

Fact check: the recent search for the 5’ tall murderer was performed by Philly-area roving shitheads, not yinzers.

Nick Perri

Muby mindset

T G BYAM SHAW

Was thinking of parallels of Leatherface and Anton Chigurh. Same area, little later, same meat. Chigurh prefers the air tool and has found employment. I think in the book it mentions Chigurhs dad being in the same trade

Colin S

Crucial episode. Glad it's not behind a paywall.

calvin kilby

Fun fact: 'Black Maria' is also a traditional name for a police van, aka 'meatwagon' (in the UK at least)

Tony Samuels

cus it's hot

Khemith

Never seen NOLD. About halfway thru. Why every time there are siblings do incest accusations abound?

Casey O'Brine

I’ve been thinking and writing about the cultural implications reflected in these films for years, I even made some of the same points about these two movies in my silly senior project way back in 2002. This episode was fucking awesome, you knocked it out of the park

Jay S.

What makes it oppressive is it's the same smell everywhere you go. No variety in notes, no different scent from farm to farm, no distinction between cattle breeds, or diet, or hygiene. It never changes its smell. Just one long featureless olfactory chum slick you have to drive through for over an hour.

Plainwrap

https://youtu.be/p8L6CtsqDE4?si=RC9p9x-f0iy1LqxR [Wait Reagan did that too] This part is really wild, seeing it from today's standpoint. When Barbara is begging to get Johnny. Hesse really did hut a nail on the head here. I thought it was a stretch to say it sounded incestuous, but that sounds like abusive relationships I've seen before. So much is pack within this movie!

Post Void

When I first watched Night Of The Living Dead and saw the ending, I threw my controller at the TV, but it was one of those glass ones so it just bounced back at me.

Post Void

Night Of The Living Dead is one of, if not the most underrated film ever. The first time I watched it, I got it from a bootleg bargin dvd bin when I was in High School. The fact Romero was able to pull off the level of storytelling and scene dynamics pushed what a low budget movie can do. Love Pittsburgh, been there once when a "zombies invaded", it was piggies from across the country to protect the G20. I was a journalist and im talking about the feral hogs in Pennsylvania of course! And the ending is still one of the most gut wrenching ever, because it feels so real. The right person at the wrong place at the wrong time, is it fate and how?

Post Void

Important to remember that trans Leatherface did nothing wrong.

Meadow Green

Great stuff. But Drayton isn’t their dad, he’s another brother. It’s brothers all the way down.

Meadow Green

Season of the Witch and Altman's Images would be a good pairing. You should do an episode on 70s horror movies that revolve around whether a woman is perceiving reality correctly.

Simon

kinda thought you wd review into the mouth of madness this october. next year, will?

wailing ken jennings

The fugitive panic that Will mentions around 42 mins was SE PA, I live right around all the places he passed through and the hysteria was fucking unbearable. One of the funniest parts was how Danelo Cavalcante "became armed" because some paranoid Pottstown dipshit left a loaded rifle next to his garage door, and then when he realized the gun was gone emptied a pistol blindly into the suburban dark.

Ian H

Killer opening episode for the spooky time. I had the same experience as Will with my parents abhorring violence then going to my local video store and being in equal parts terrified and fascinated by the VHS covers, but it was made even more intense because the owner of the store would get these amazing styrofoam sculptures and displays built for new releases they were excited about which were usually horror and sci-fi films. I remember standing in awe of the life-sized Predator they had on display when it came out, having vivid nightmares over it, then sneaking it into the house as soon as I could scrounge up a few bucks to rent it and being blown away. Also, years ago I watched the remake of Night of the Living Dead because it was on TV. Apart from everything else, the ending is just awful by comparison because they go out of their way to spell out the intended meaning by having characters all but say "truly, it is man who is the real monster". Tom Savini should have stuck to make-up and prosthetics, it's clearly where his strengths lie.

Declan Kennedy

It's spooky season folks

ploob

I read "TCM" as Turner Classic Movies at first.

Dan

Part of that horror that really got under my skin in TCM is how doomed they were from the start. Not just from the narration, but the idea that the grave desecration (by the hitchhiker) is the inciting incident. The gas station is run by the sawyers. Everywhere they turn they are trapped. As bad as Franklin was done, him being in the wheelchair, his life completely dependent on the idiotic decision making of his friends who want to wonder into the woods, was so effective

Matt Boi

Growing up in the city with East Texas Relatives, TCM always hit too close to home. My pawpaw even with several deer and cow bones hanging from ropes and wires in one of his barns...

Uncle64

Love old movie trailers where it’s just pull quotes and musical stings then they shout the title at you a few times

I am become reply guy

I rented Land from the library so much as a kid, I hate when people are quick to dismiss it as something George farted out later in his career. It’s distinct from the other Dead movies for sure but there’s a ton to appreciate in there

Migz

Michael Keaton said he based Beetlejuice on Bill Moseley in Chainsaw 2.

Kenny Hedges

"Black Mariah" was also common midcentury slang for a cop car, I think especially on the East Coast, so there's also the hint that this girl's "safety" is now in the hands an institution just as psychotically violent as what she escaped from

Michael S. Judge

of course you remember Adam Driver calling them "ghouls!" in THE DEAD DON'T DIE

Rohmer Simpson

'80s VHS cover art should be widely considered one of the hallmarks of American art. somehow we lost something real and true after that wave crested.

Rohmer Simpson

Monkey Shines is a VHS box I will never forget. Great ep!

Nixper

You had me at "puerile titillation"

FamiCommie

Will is absolutely right about that stretch of highway in the Cali central valley. If you've ever wondered how a smell could be described as "oppressive," this is that. (I even accidentally wrote "stench" instead of "stretch" there, involuntary Freudian slip, it really is that bad.)

Karl Childers

I got shudder just for Joe Bob

Oliver guerrero

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtWVaGCaYo Always thought this was hilarious:)

lilfukka

"The Hideous Sun-Demon" is sick

Michael S. Judge

Great Ep.

Ben Clarkson

Also Ghouls are technically a different creature from zombies but they were sorta blended here, Romero always said Ghouls over zombies, at least for NOTLD. There's an HBO Tales From The Crypt episode that explains the difference, I think its actually called "G.H.O.U.L.S.", subtle

Dustin Nelson

Phantasm is great. The sequels are good too (at least up to part IV). Great examples of how to work with a diminishing budget.

Jim Veil

That drive by Harris Ranch is truly bleak.

Jim Veil

That was weird but frankly we've had to put up with worse in the series, tcm4 and TC3D are pretty bad. At least 2022 has that kickass bus scene

Dustin Nelson

Gonna plug the streaming service Shudder here, it's horror specialized and has Tcm and I'm pretty sure NOTLD too. Also pretty cheap and carries the Creepshow series and and good amount of the films Will namedrops here. "TRYSHUDDER30" still works for a free month if you're new.

Dustin Nelson

Wondering what we think of Phantasm (1979) here

Dustin Nelson

The 2022 Texas Chainsaw Massacre reboot makes the bizarre choice of making the final girl a school shooting survivor who has to overcome her fear of guns to defeat Leatherface lol

casey

Wonder where The Last House On The Left (1972) fits into the progression from NOTLD to TCM'74. Last House was so vicious, moreso than TCM imo so I wonder if LH pushing the envelope so far helped greenlight TCM's content.

Dustin Nelson

Great Romero picks, but you guys missed “Martin”! Most devastatingly Yinzer vampire film ever made.

Chase Padusniak

What country was that in? I don't think I've seen that cover variant/poster

Dustin Nelson

I was pretty pleased with The Dark Half, surprised by how good it was. I think Martin has a new 4k disc released this year

Dustin Nelson

The No One Lives Forever bridge scene is my favorite thing in film, it's everything I love about horror. At the very least everyone checkout that the clip of that bridge scene on youtube

Dustin Nelson

It's pretty cool you know about Lifeforce (1985) and Funhouse. They're less well known than you'd think. The big eqyptian crocodile if from Crocodile (2000), which may be a secret sequel to Eaten Alive (1977) notlw that you make me think of it.

Dustin Nelson

Hesse said Boo! and it scared me so hard i started crying

Janie Danger

Technically The Cook is the oldest brother, not the dad, but that's a pretty common mistake

Dustin Nelson

Romero movies not mentioned that I can recommend: There's Always Vanilla (no joke!) Martin Knightriders The Dark Half Bruiser (very uneven but very weird and full of indelible images)

Rohmer Simpson

Romero's other 3 DEAD movies are very underrated, especially LAND OF THE DEAD.

Rohmer Simpson

I think chop top and hitchhiker were actually supposed to be twins. Choptop was canonically in Vietnam, he got wounded and that's why he has a plate in his head. The family used the veterans disabily money to buy texas battleland. I modeled my apartment a bit after the battleland lair, I've got the meathooks and lights. Interesting note, real metal meathooks are cheaper than props.

Dustin Nelson

"...I knew it was pittsburgh from all the square heads." - hahaha!! Oh wait. Awww, yeah you right.

EaZy E

I was scared that I was being booed in the disapproving way

Jamin Kreighbaum

Thank you for talking about movies ppl have actually seen!

Britz Man

TCM 2 is a masterpiece

Drew McGill

Two movies that I absolutely love. Fantastic episode. And thank you for praising the scene in TCM with Leatherface’s first kill, because that shit is one of the scariest things I have ever seen on film. The slamming of the door…ughhhh, it’s too good!

Elliot Imes

The cover of Braindead in my rental was the disgusting baby tied to the nurse with the ceramic duck splitting her head open. I could not directly look at it.

Gareth Lyons

aaaah! scared me! :-/

Zach

It's The Fog and Halloween III, they've got a couple gross moments but nothing too heavy for the average adult, if it weren't for all the tom atkins sex scenes in both films I'd say they're totally acceptable for kids over 10. So attend away without worry 😄. It's not like they're gonna bust Terrifier 2 out on the crowd

Dustin Nelson

OMG so hyped! TCM is my favorite horror franchise, been playing the new game a lot lately and saw the new documentaries on the 4k disc from this year (good info on those) so I'm really in the mood for academic discussion on it. Found a few new (to me) books on it too. Wonder what you guys think of TCM2, it's pretty much a satire of TCM in a less successful way than Gremlins 2 was. I'm working on reviving my tradition of making a meat heavy chili while watching a tcm film this year and this episode might be one of the things I put on for that.

Dustin Nelson

Let’s goooo. I’m gonna try to make it to the NY screening even though I’m squeamish Re horror :)

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