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Seeking a Fren for the End of the World: Episode 1 - This is Really Just the Beginning

In a new series by Felix, Josh (@ettingermentum), and Spencer, we ask: how did the Republican Party, once the dominant force in American culture for almost a generation, become a group of bowtied cosplayers and rapist streamers yelling about Litterboxes? We trace this development back to the empires built by two men—Paul Weyrich and James Dobson—as well as the failures of one Pat Buchanan.


This episode draws from Dan Gilgoff’s The Jesus Machine and David Grann’s “Robespierre Of The Right.” For a full list of sources, check our works cited doc here: www.chapotraphouse.com/seeking

Seeking a Fren for the End of the World: Episode 1 - This is Really Just the Beginning Seeking a Fren for the End of the World: Episode 1 - This is Really Just the Beginning Seeking a Fren for the End of the World: Episode 1 - This is Really Just the Beginning

Comments

This is my third time going through this series and that "hot knifing dog chemo meds" bit stil kills me.

Andy Kraushaar

Tex!

Scot Forsythe

No, that's your penis.

TheHairyClevage

Pastor TL Barrett 💞

treat

Great for a Christmas drive home 👌🏽

Edgar Rincon

It’s a bit dry

Eli

Apologies to the surely excellent work of the others involved but please begin giving ettingermentum the same amount of content appearance/contribution time as is currently allotted to virgil

TLT

Great stuff. Would love to hear more.

Joseph Shields

😭 found a copy of one of his parenting books in Chinese at my in laws house. It really horrifies me that the stupidest parts of American evangelicalism are being spread all over the world.

David Woodward

Right? Spent 8th grade binging those off their website

David Woodward

I was homeschooled until high school, honestly I think it's fine. Just make sure they have ways to make friends and do normal kid stuff with other kids.

Simon Maraya

Bro Ive seen all of Schaeffer's videos and at one point had a complete volume of books. I read about half of them. I read A Christian Manifesto at least 3 times. Nobody talks about the man but he is critcal in understanding the theology/politics of that era of conservative Evangelicalism. He also looked like an elf and wore lederhosen.

Jennifer Hammerhead

Father I stretch my hands at the end?

Jason

Oh next time listen while watching family guy best clips and mazerunner streamers

Jingle Jangler

The bibliography is 48 pages long 👏🏼

Noahjon marshall

This is so goddamn boring

William J Engelman

Great work, very into this, thank you.

Studio Novaya

Not quite; put De Vos into google translate (“the fox” in english) to hear how it’s pronounced in Dutch. Great instance of nominative determinism though

Collin

I live like 10 minutes from the Amway world headquarters. "Rich" DeVos went by "Dick" DeVos. I thought you would all like that. Unfortunately his dumbass name is on every other university building in the area so the DeVos family has an open invitation to have their balls licked by honors students two or three times per semester. The DeVos family has been trying to retroactively erase history, that cunt will always be a Dick.

Aaron M

Hahaha dude he died after my pilled NP mom treated him with ivermectin and hydroxichloroquine or however the fuck it’s spelled

Jalen Onisko

Felix, Spencer, and Josh this was awesome. I’m hooked

Alex Weber

Loving this

Justin Kase

"Enyart opposed mandated vaccinations and mask mandates for COVID-19. He died of COVID-19." lol

drewb

“It Follows,” but with James Dobson lol

Jalen Onisko

It’s crazy to know the shit is still around. Hell dude if you guys wanna see a real niche psycho you should check out the pastor of the church we went to. If you get some time do a cursory look at Bob Enyart 👀

Jalen Onisko

May have missed it, did they say this would be a weekly release on Patreon?

Justin Webber

I am not still following it! (abstinence) not voluntarily anyway. I’m voluntarily involuntary abstinent wait….

Sisyphus

My current addiction to podcasts probably can be traced back to FoF’s Adventures in Odyssey. Salute to Dobson for introducing me to the audio drama format

Megan

"It must've resembled a version of O block populated by lemon party participants" lmao. this is so fucking good you guys

Aaron Dinga

i donc Care hes fun

etienne

why would you wnat to hear what he wants to say, he framed himslef as Mr. Too-Damn-Elections for the apst year and he was 100% wrong on every level about the election lmao

Tyler Sutherland

Am I confused or isn't Rich Voss the comedian, Rich Devos is someone else

james lynch

Oh Felix! I didn't know you cared...

Casey S

Christ Felix, it's Paul WHY-rick!

James F LeBlanc

It's their "damp squid"

jepasc

Man they love re-numeration, even when reading off a script that says remunerate. I guess they think money is written in numerals so you “re-numer” yourself? It’s so funny to me.

Podcast subscriber 78

He just needs more crystals on his speakers

Instantdumbass

Nerd

Instantdumbass

Damn Unc is cooking fr.

Instantdumbass

You spend money. I rape money. We are not the same.

K H

We love the sicko deep lore. Ran through this a couple times. Once gooning. Once falling asleep post goon sesh. Maybe once more paying attention.

K H

This made my 3rd eye open wide and I discovered swag for the first time

Zachary Wood

Pastor tl barret: father I stretch my hands

jack dougal

What’s the title of the outro song?

RDew

Ah, I like Josh really, I'm just busting balls.

James Roche

Ok some praises and criticisms: I like the music seques. A good look into how Democrats got spooked into their current political meta. My only gripe: Felix is just not suited to reading a script not written by himself. It's not terrible or anything. I listened to the whole podcast in two sittings. Maybe add a conversation interlude between the scripted stuff?

Khemith

Damn this is amazing, Felix and the boys knocked it out of the park.

NitroDickclapp III

Aaat was some miiiiighty fine a pickin' and a singin'!

Brendan O'Loughlin

Felix lookin for Affrin at the end of the world. We love him folks we do

4 Yalies and a dirt strip in Honduras

bit disappointed Joshingermentum isn't speaking on this, i really enjoy his Nick Mullen on nootropics drawl

etienne

Telling on yourself if you take to heart anything a pollster predicts. He correctly hedged all his wishcasting better than anyone else you read or listened to. Pollsters who "got it right" were saying Elon Musk was going to out charisma Kamala. He got it right. But nobody can accurately gauge how much the American vox populi has suffered and checked out. "Finger prints" The hell does that mean. He's co-author. He's got a byline. Moron

Daffy

Audio pedants are the most irritating scum online. Twitch banned them years ago. You're listening on earbuds. Quality details on spoken word like that do not come across on regular speakers. I hope Felix records the next one in the blind man's recording studio in "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" just so you'll unsub. Your ears are the manifestation of neoliberal individuality.

Daffy

Actually laughed out loud a few times. Well written.

Evan Pitkin

A corner of history I never cared to read about, since the hilarious media from that time sorta speaks for itself. Thanks Felix

Boaz Corey

I'm in music/audio and don't really care enough to care, but it kinda blows me away how low quality the audio is in the chapo world. The spoken human voice is very easy to make sound good these days haha.

Boaz Corey

its so crazy cause ive never seen heard or participated in any of these things… closest ive been was 4chan but its a whole world of crazy right wing media. is the mid ass shit i see on tv and internet just “lib shit”?

mariol struga

Right? That's basically an admission that the admin refused to take anything on the chin.

Leonardo Restrepo

I was deep in the early altright/fascist movement of Obama's first term. Pat was venerated as the father of the movement

Craig

Devos, as in multiple De-evolutions.

Devon Cunningham

I like to think they look at the last name and think of the band DEVO and try to pronounce it that way.

Matt James Rich

Hope he sees this bro

Wesley Campbell Caretto

On top of that I'm 15 mins from Glendale

Etienne

That's such a funny concept. "Actually, the asshole that I'm married tos last name is pronounced De-vaws."

Devon Cunningham

Hey Felix, I'm more than happy to edit and mix your all of your audio files for cheap. I enjoy the content but I'm so annoyed from not only the phasing on the phasing in episode 892, but now the utterly obvious separate takes with different gain structures and/or mic positioning in this episode. It's distracting for those of us who are even slightly sensitive to this and it's relatively easy to fix. Ive worked in the music industry for +20 years. Please feel to reach out or dm me.

Etienne

How does Felix’s audio quality still suck after a decade? You should actually pay Metro Boomin to fix the file plus you get a good tag on the intro

Ian Baumgart

My sister homeschooled all four of her kids (K-12 basically) - as part of a homeschooling group. She's a Christian, not particularly outspoken, but you would never guess her kids were homeschooled. They've all gone on to public universities, are more or less liberals, and are really unique and interesting kids/adults. I do think she and her kids are kind of an anomaly and nothing like the homeschoolers I knew as a kid. All this is to say, I suppose it can work....maybe... I have two kids who attend NYC public schools and I wouldn't change that. I personally resisted my parents attempt to homeschool me when I was a kid, but ended up going to insanely conservative religious schools instead, which was great...

lars

I remember Erik Prince correcting a congressional representative on that when he was testifying about Blackwater atrocities in Iraq.

Michael

or Chapo x XTC

lars

Same, child of 80's/90's Dobson obsessives - though no family work connection. It's a minor thing but I was hoping we'd get a mention on the ep of Breakaway or Brio magazine - FOTF's teen content rag. If you had a friend who liked Metallica, Breakaway had advice on what to do. Sort of surprised to see it still exists, but also not surprised...

lars

"and, if you're listening to this program, there's a good chance it worked so well that you're still following it!"

etienne

Lol and Kamala tried to revive it through her tagging closer the Cheneys. Brilliant shit by the Democrats.

Sam Zeng

if young metro don’t trust you I’m gon shoot you

kron

I felt burned for buying into his electoral predictions, but on policy he usually seems to have the right ideas.

kron

Oh boy, another podcast that makes me wish hell was real

Man2quilla

To Leo Restrepo's point earlier, I feel like the key part of the Stephanie Cutter Podjons interview that no one talked about is the bit where she says "Can you imagine the stories coming out, well that's not what she said in the meeting" to explain the risk of breaking with Biden. It pretty clearly implies that Kamala and her people at least believed that if they campaigned against any Biden policy that he or members of his cabinet would leak negative stories calling her a liar. In a general election against Trump, where "democracy" and "women's lives" where at stake according to the Dems.

Ian H

Purina Hall of Fame. One of their very best. So patient, so unattended...

Kyle Strupp

The fingerprints of the disgraced fraud Ettingermentum are all over this one.

James Roche

Is this going to be released weekly or are we getting a batch release? I really like the topic and don’t wanna wait 😘

Ric Mahurin

This is a common mistake but DeVos is pronounced Dee-vaws not Dee-vose. Great first episode.

Devon Cunningham

Reminded me of that propagandhi song that starts with pigs squealing in an abbotoir, which was only marginally more distressing than whatever Stephen Crowder was doing

drewb

so good

Dan Nancarrow

I’m lovin it

Aaron Lott

I think he might've been my first realization that there was a whole world of guys fucking everything up who weren't even in the government and that I was to become accordingly pissed

Michael S. Judge

What was that Pat Buchanan theme drop at like 28:00? You guys who didn't grow up in a rich Catholic fascist milieu have no idea how large a presence Pat Buchanan was in the millennial teenage Political Guys of the News World pantheon

Michael S. Judge

Thank you for a series like this!!

Nora

Subscribed for this, great insights. As someone that grew up in Grand Rapids, MI. The Devos family have funded every right wing hack for the last century. I wasn’t surprised to hear how far their ties go.

Harrison B

My gf grew up in Colorado Springs, and when she went to an exchange term in Chile, at one point she stayed at an indigenous family with two books: a Bible and a Focus on the Family book

Ale

Another homeschooler checking in. Please send your kids to regular school.

J C

Same, it was actually kind of infuriating hearing the old shit's voice again

J C

Excellent

R0wdy161

Coming from a guy who was homeschooled 1.5 years by liberal parents - send them to school. I was set back years socially. (I’m great now and wouldn’t change anything but without the benefit of hindsight the choice would be clear to me.)

J.P. McD.

Awesome guys

Jake Ginsburg

Nah the movement Conservatism of the Reagan era actually collapsed around the 2000s but tbh that's insider sports shit for the political cranks out there, to be fair

Ghordo

Real good work

Sam Schick

Memento mori

KS

Very dope, very cool Felix!

Tim Mullen

IGY by Donald Fagen too

Kelly magera

“Trent Lot of Elvira fame” lololol

KS

In listening to this, I realized that I don't think I ever actually heard the original "read my lips" speech, just the people making jokes later. That was such a catchphrase for a while.

Laura

banger. been listening to blowback, and i LOVE this style of series.

lemao

I was raised on that Dobson shit. My step dad even worked for Focus On The Family. Not a day goes by that I don’t wish pain upon James Dobson

Jalen Onisko

Loved the El-vi-raaa echo

cuttino mobley

series artwork kinda rules

boo

Real ones got that Rich Vos joke

Craig

Hell yeah love Spencer

Sam Thomas

I love the guys but it's killing me to hear them always say "renumerate" when they mean to say "remunerate"

jepasc

Such s great episode. Looking forward to all the subsequent ones. Thank you for the peerless collab.

Rene Saller

It's Chronological. We are only to early 2000s and the movement fell to the way side during that time.

billbo

who was choosing the music? i'd guess spencer or chris based on the taste. nice XTC track

memorymachine

ah so Dobson inspired Shower With Your Dad Simulator 2015

Andrew Cross

This shit fire bro

Munir hakim

Two fail movements fighting for votes in a fail state. Whoever won the election, it doesn't prove the party's vitality, it proves the expiration of a country's political institutions

interzoa

Xtra Eloquent felix is cool. Truly 😎 a voice made for poetry. ❤️

Zeebes

Send them to school man. Basically 0 ppl have the bandwith to fully teach 6 different subjects. If they start spouting nonsense, correct them, put the right book in their hands, but you are likely leaving something out yourself or at the very least de-socialising them

B.C.

Never thought I'd see Chapo x Manic Street Preachers lol

B.C.

Came here to find this comment. Having the same experience. There are a number of highly concentrated references and metaphors and jokes very close together, the way you’d normally find see in a pithy essay (with interesting footnotes). EDIT: I’ll say it does get a lot better.

Podcast subscriber 78

I grew up in rural South Carolina, and anywhere you went as a child has focus on the family children's magazines, they were everywhere. Every doctor, dentist, and divorce lawyers office I was in as a kid had them, hell My pediatricians office played videos from them as well on their early flat screen TV's that I found so cool. Haven't thought about that in years and hearing "focus on the family" hit me like a sleeper agent hearing his activation code

James Fair

Excellent music choices. Looking forward to the rest of the series

Brett Mercer

Amazing. I only wish this one was split into two or three longer episodes. For any dumb-dumbs like myself: “fren” is apparently slang for “Far Right Ethno-Nationalist”

Eric_WVGG

Comeback zinc!

Nixper

Framing this as an obituary for a failed movement seems uh, bold given how election went? Or have I missed something?

Christopher E Musgrave

It was good. I enjoyed it. I’ll be listening to the rest of the series for sure. I think the style of it especially at the beginning can be distracting from the point by being verbose, spoken quickly, and having a lot of video game/pop culture references. I find myself having to press the rewind 10 sec button a lot to catch the main point.

Brandt

They had a cartoon, if you ever feel like wanting to tear out your eyes and burn them

Christopher E Musgrave

Repressed homosexuality is the basic engine of history

Christopher E Musgrave

Nerd

billbo

Closeted bi/gay usually.

billbo

Big ups Felix

Jesse Svetlich

This Felix guy is super interesting, they should have him on the pod more often

Max Monlux

This is the start of a great series! Thank you Felix!

It’s corn, it’s got the juice.

Why do people have such weird fucking beliefs man. All these men are freaks. It baffles the mind to even think people connect with their ideas

nat

"My opponent now says he will raise [taxes] as a last resort or a 3rd resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into!" 🔥 Full Bush bars right there.

Schwartz666

Happy birthday!

linguinitortellini

This is the first time I’m hearing of this.

JP

giddy up

JP

Hell yeah

JP

Might I recommend never commenting on anything ever again?

A.C. Miller

Both an incredible episode and an incredible birthday present to me lol. Can't wait for the rest of the series

Liam Sweeney

who cares about pronouncing politicians names correctly?

Jonathan

Love the Blowbackian opening starting with the Crowder humiliation ritual. A great use of the format

Brendan Kneeland

Its like a prequel to all that Warhammer lore (probably idk)

interzoa

You can pronounce names any way you want, nerd

Budget Hireling

You ever heard Felix say the word “alien”? He just has a folksy accent leave him alone

Smooth Shrek

You’re talking about a guy who still mispronounces Kamala’s name

Maicol

Hey Travis! What time does Felix start talking?

Fernslinger

I home school our kids - mostly because the schools in our area are poor quality and our kids have higher needs than what the schools can offer. There are a few families I know that home school that aren’t crazy, but most are reactionary Christian’s or reactionary woo-woo RFK types. It’s hard to know what to do with our kids -send them to the terrible public school or home school them and run the risk of it hurting them socially in the long run.

T

Just started this, and the first ten minutes are honestly kind of embarrassing . . . How does Felix not know how to pronounce Weyrich and Viguerie’s names? Did he not watch or listen to any interviews with them that included introductions, nor any other A/V media referencing them? And, how does no one else catch the issues during editing? If you guys are going to make dedicated, in-depth podcasts, you gotta make a de minimis effort to get basic shit like subjects’ names right.

Baduncadonk

Felix, this is so fire. Abstinence Only at work.

Chuck Skooch

God we gotta get a soundtrack for this series put together, some of the best transition music we’ve had from a Chapo ep/series yet

The Out

hell yea this rocks. thanks felix

Matthew

Sounds awful. I wasn't aware of it, but I think my parents hit the eject on FoF before then.

demonsweat

Excellent

Kentucky Shitlib

The Earworm has escaped containment again! God help us all....

Schwartz666

I like ettingermentum but I found the 2022 praise of him extremely annoying because there’s guys out there spewing every possible opinion, so of course some are guaranteed to be right after the fact.

J.P. McD.

Did you ever listen to ‘Adventures in Odyssey’? Only exposure to it is through relisten episodes talking about it on ‘Worse of all possible worlds’ podcast.

Duncan Fraser

please tell me you give spencer a mic in one of these

kitty pavlova

Max Blumenhal’s Republican Gommorrah gives a very good account of the truly wicked pastoral care-direct mail-political influence machine.

Erik Weissengruber

51:08 that was OD

Sergei Filipov

This was made when we all knew Trump & the freak GOP would be ascendant in 2016 and remain unvanquished by 2024.

Matelda

I dunno I'm gonna listen to Episode 2 before I decide

Matelda

So Stoked on the Don Fagen IGY cut in E1. I feel seen.

Loren Huggins

Huge grin on my face hearing XTC, even though that's their worst song

Ian H

> Turns out being a freak wins Trump is one of the most unpopular political figures in the modern era. It was just that Kamala was even more unpopular than him. You are delusional if you think JD Vance represents a more coherent and potential successful political movement than movement conservatism.

Sam Zeng

Felix is so brilliant

Meadow Green

This that kinda series you gotta sit and listen to with your browser open

Kyletrynadip

First

Aiden

The section on James Dobson made me realize some things about my childhood. Holy shit.

Pat Z

Luigi from UEG

calvin kilby

Building a left political Acapella group to perform at events: Lu-i-gi! 🎵

Mountain Dew Or Crab Juice

Wrong. Trump and the GOP won this election because of inflation and calories, first and foremost. The Democrats didn't have any ethos whatsoever beyond being The Party of Governance(TM), but what's being governed is indefensible. They didn't even stick with the whole "Conservatives are weird freaks" for very long. They just arrogantly thought they had it in the bag for the rest of the election after humoring that for only a couple of weeks

Ghordo

It's not impossible- Johnson basically did this to Humphrey in 1968. Kamala was and is an ASS candidate, but her messaging being as horrifically noncommittal, in an election where EVERYONE knew that Biden was a millstone. I know there's some dark party personnel politics.

Leonardo Restrepo

elvira mentioned

cori

Perlstein interview >>>>

Johnny Monday

This rocks

Paul Thompson

I appreciate the list of sources and the crediting of scholars’ work.

Patrick Allen

Take a lap

FA

The needle drops- dang imma want a playlist at the end of all this.

Leonardo Restrepo

O BLOCK POPULATED BY LEMON PARTY PARTICIPANTS HAHAHAHA

glieb

My parents listened to Focus on the Family when I was young. Pretty odd, since we were Catholic (they are still devout), and there was quite a bit of anti-Papist "Whore of Babylon" content that was confusing to me ("Mom, do we worship the devil?"). Hey, it was the 80s. Anyways, they stopped listening after a while, probably when they realized a lot of their friends were also listening and decided to leave the Church for some of the more "fun" evangelical denominations.

demonsweat

🤠 El-vi-ra 🎶

drewb

Felix Mindset Returns 🔥

Tim O'Connor

HELL YEAH

The True Horror

We wish her well

MATT TRIANO

Idk about that- I think he was right that the senate was lost, and the house was narrowly going to be close to 50/50. My main takeaway is that Trump isn't Trumpism, and non-college educated voters (while having inscrutable political and cultural beliefs) do have material interests not being met by the democrats. Someday in the future, we'll find out that Biden threatened to outright endorse Trump if she broke with him publicly on his foreign or domestic policy, depressing democrat turnout.

Leonardo Restrepo

I like podcast

Peter Boardman

Congrats on the release Felix! I'm gonna listen as soon as I'm home from work at approximately 3:04ET

nat

24:00 IGY one of my favorite Fagwn tunes. Yacht rock? Possibly

Zach Pierce

Felix first speaks at 00:40

Blank

Ooof this doesn’t work because it was made when it assumed a defeat due to Trump world being freaks, due to ettingermentum being WRONG on predicting this election. Not a genius, he just got lucky when others were wrong. Turns out being a freak wins, and the normal people lost, and Dobbs wasn’t that important

Julian Perez

Been ready for this Felix series LFG!

CS

She's so many women. He can't find the one who was his fren.

Ben Kamal

Many say it's the most beautiful series

Christian Johnson

🙌

Christian Johnson

Came at a good time. Im freakin pumped. Been drinking green tea all god damned day

Chris

Let's go baby

TugNuggins

Let’s goooooo

McMiller

How’d they know?

Zach Pierce

Fourth!

Tom Stevenson

My boy pussy is quaking for this slop, can’t wait to look for cum with a black light with this!

Shawn

we love a new series don’t we folks

That’s Crazy

Fresh slop

Tyler Joseph

No sleep for me I guess.

Markus Kraköwski


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