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AUTISM FEELS - Reading & Reviewing Orion Kelly's Book

Another exclusive Patreon video for my lovely snails! I read Orion Kelly's book!

Here's a link if you want a copy to read along with me (it is an affiliate link, so if you use the link, I'll get a tiny commission at no extra cost to you. But if you'd rather buy it elsewhere, feel free!): https://amzn.to/3QBGw4Z

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Hopefully you found this video cosy! It was a lot of fun to make even though it took ages and I somehow managed to make it an HOUR LONG!! 😂

AUTISM FEELS - Reading & Reviewing Orion Kelly's Book

Comments

I just read the book and watched the video for the first time and I agree with all of the points you made. Especially about the honesty. In addition to saying honest things nicely, I feel like "brutally honest" people should often learn to say nothing at all. Their "honesty" hardly ever means they are compelled to say all the nice things that are true. I liked to read about his lived experience too. Especially about his son's habit of starting conversations with strangers, because I used to be that kid, starting conversations with people whenever I could. Now I barely talk to people I know, let alone strangers and thinking about my sordid past makes me anxious. My mum says that I ran out of words, because I talked so much as a child 😅 What annoyed me most about the book, were the parts where the beginnings of the words were bolded and the ends were not. It doesn't make any sense to me why they are written like that and for some reason they irritated me so much that I just wanted to stop reading. But I read all of it, even the parts that apparently are not read by anyone.

EG

I think being socialised afab, and as girls and women…we are trained from babyhood to “notice” the cooking and cleaning etc…I don’t think it’s an Autism thing…I’m not saying that goes for all women all men, or afab, amab…but as a generalisation. Both my husband and me are AuDHD, both my parents are, both my sisters and their partners are neurodivergent and it’s still the women who are “noticing” the things that need to be done, we write the lists, we set the reminders (and my husband does much more than most as my carer he cooks and cleans and helps me with daily activities, but I still do the noticing, the organising the “remembering” the emotional labour) I do think patriarchy has the most to do with this!

Kristel

I liked school because I was homeschooled and I got to just study all day without worrying about conforming to confusing social dynamics 😂

Songmorning

I also was very into formal outfits. I would dress well so that people would compliment me and then at least one person had talked to me that day

Zoe Volpa

I really liked school! But for me it was like a university-level education (called the IB program) when I was in high school (so 16-18) and I liked it because it meant that I had an excuse to not socialize and if I did have to socialize we could just talk about school which was interesting!

Zoe Volpa

Thank you so much! Was a lovely surprise to find on the doorstep yesterday when we got back from a (very) soggy week of camping in Scotland (with AuDHD daughter, and autistic niece and nephew).

B 🌻 A B

Congratulations - you've won a copy of the book! I'll be sending it today, so look out for it in the post - should arrive in a couple of days 🐌😁

I'm Autistic, Now What

Congratulations - you've won a copy of the book! I'll be sending it today, so look out for it in the post 🐌😁

I'm Autistic, Now What

You and Lewis are so perfect together.

Chuck Hargis

I'm the exact opposite In terms of liking, formal outfits unless I am pressured into wearing something formal. I will absolutely not wear anything formal. most formal clothes are just Sooooooooo Uncomfortable. Well, unless somehow it's actually comfortable. Honestly I just Where whatever is comfortable? It just so happens most formal clothes Are not comfortable, but idk It's hard to describe.

🫠!!! Raccoon on the internet!!!🫠

"I just constantly have the urge to put this book on my head." <- this made my day hahaha 😂

Cera the Triceratops

Yes, I agree with this!! Thank you for sharing, it is nice to know someone feels similarly

Cera the Triceratops

Do you think capitalized Autistic is similar to capitalized Deaf?

Cera the Triceratops

🐌 Thank you for all the thoughts and feelings you're sharing with us, I'm definitely thinking about maybe getting this book! I feel so grateful to learn and kinda rediscover myself.. So many things are suddenly starting to make sense, almost how I picture it must be to have bad eyesight and finally trying glasses on for the first time.. It's strange, sad, freeing and definitely overwhelming.. But I'm grateful for having started this journey and hopefully I might find myself at the end of it.. 🙏🏻💛 Thank you! 🐌

Helle

My husband, daughter and I hate peas.... they are sus and we are all Autistic

Mirajane Barnes

dont forget to do the poll about coffee/caffeine! id be very happy to count as a statistic there hehe

Petie

I just got to the part where you're surprised about this person having their autism picked up by a therapist instead of self diagnosing first and I just wanted to say that this was my experience too. I was seeing an NHS therapist for anxiety and having trouble figuring out what I was anxious 'about', and I was struggling to concentrate, so she suggested some online tests. I also rarely read about this happening though.

Lauren Joanna

I like - love - peas. Does that mean I’m not autistic? Should I alert my assessor? As a child, I consumed a good percentage of my Grandfather’s peas in the garden. Crack open those pods, and pop the sweet, juicy, tast of spring peas into your grateful mouth. Sorry, am I causing vomiting here? If so, please accept my apology.

Christopher Earl

I don't think it's weird at all. Watching people show their different stims makes me happy. Sometimes it reminds me of stuff I did when I was little. I have to say I love you flappers lol 😅

Simplyinfamous=D

My kindle has a back tab thing on its case that is very satisfying to flap. I think it’s for propping it up on a table but I just flap it lol.

Mika

About the logical vs emotional stuff : for me personaly it seems that because it takes me a longer time to process my emotions, I can think about a situation in a very analytic way, showing no emotion on the moment, putting my émotions completely aside. I can talk freely about something really sad or depressing without being "clouded" by my emotions (I'm not completely ignoring them either, I don't know how to explain it...). Obviously there are triggering situations where I cannot do that, but I mean in a general sense : I can have really heavy conversations "easily", and I really like it. Some friends have told me that it's refreshing for them becayse when they go through a really hard time they feel most people can't handle the détails or their feelings and only answer with platitudes, when I'm the one capable of really listening ans I'm even letting them know they can express their darkest thoughts, I won't be shocked or judgy. This can also be detrimental to my relations because on the other hand I also do not react heavily when I really should : when someone is way out of line and is hurting me a lot, I also keep my cool and don't physically show émotion, so they just continue hurting me. I can say I am distressed but becayse I don't show it they don't buy it (or maybe they just don't care, I don't know)

hakugei_

I respect Orien a lot but also I find myself disagreeing with him often, for the same reasons you mention here. It seems like he has overly generalized views of autism such as the "overly logical" and the "brutally honest". I'm glad he's sharing his experience and I appreciate the times when he DOES mention that other people's experiences differ, but I just can't relate to him very much! Very different experiences of our autism for sure

Brianna B

Yes!!! Phrases!!! I would thoroughly enjoy such a discussion.

RaEarl

🐌

Jennie

****On the ASD vs introvert, if I am quiet for too long then I feel like I have done something wrong....

Jennie

<3

Jennie

I loved school (classroom, not social) because all the expectations/how to advance/do well were stated

Jennie

Peas!

Jennie

I'm pretty sure I have face blindness but I never connected it to my autism until I saw it mentioned in the video. I might need to pick up this book. I trace words on my leg or on a surface with my finger and I thought that was just something I did. I've never heard other people talking about it. I really appreciated school uniform because it got rid of the stress of deciding what to wear each day. That was one of the worst things about uni for me.Also, when the video cut and Meg's hair switched, I instantly thought "who is this person?" 🐌

Joe

I did not hate school from middle school to freshman year. I did not realize how lucky I was to attend school in Florida when they were ahead of the game. Then I moved to the east coast of America. College has been the most damaging experience. I went to a Catholic Private school with no judgments.... Smh

Simplyinfamous=D

I wonder if sometimes it’s a generational thing and people have been trained to suppress emotions? I think that’s true for many of my family members, both autistic and not. They’re always accusing each of being too emotional… while also not realising they’re being pretty emotional themselves 😂

I'm Autistic, Now What

Thank you so much 💛 I’ll put it on the poll soon!

I'm Autistic, Now What

This is such a great point! When I was younger I would’ve insisted I wasn’t an anxious person… while having panic attacks in exams 😂

I'm Autistic, Now What

Thank you so much for sharing your experience, it’s really good to know I’m not alone. Although I’m very sorry you’ve had to experience a similar burnout - that’s today’s main channel video topic, actually! I’m glad the NHS diagnosed you, but again sorry you had to get to crisis point. I feel like mid teens is the time when I really really wish I’d had a diagnosis too. It’s such a stressful time with so much pressure and lots of decisions to make. Wishing you the best with your recovery and hope you can get back to uni whenever the time is right. I went with the Open University and it’s been so much less draining without that social aspect! I’m still going to move through the course super slowly though just to be careful 😅

I'm Autistic, Now What

Ooh, I like the additional penguin! 😁 I’ll announce winners soon - either in a post or maybe the next book review vlog 🥰

I'm Autistic, Now What

Maybe I need to do a ‘do you like cats’ poll over on the main channel 😂 I did dogs, but we need the data on cats!

I'm Autistic, Now What

Aww, thank you soo much, Melissa! I’m glad you liked it - I’ll keep the format for the next book review 😁 💛

I'm Autistic, Now What

Aw, it’s so nice that you can connect with your mom about autism! A shame she feel she can’t speak to your dad about it, but great that she has you 💛

I'm Autistic, Now What

Did you eat school lunches at primary school? I’d occasionally give them a go because it sounded okay in theory, but the reality was nope 😂

I'm Autistic, Now What

Sounds like you were a wonderful childcare provider! 💛

I'm Autistic, Now What

Thank you! This is a very nice compliment 😁 I think it’s why ebooks have never appealed to me 😂 How would I stim with a Kindle?

I'm Autistic, Now What

I wonder if one day we’ll all have a brain scan/genetic testing and be handed a manual on how to be our best selves 😂 I often wonder what neurotypical means as of course everyone is so different. There are many people in my life who are not autistic but definitely have ‘stuff’. Perhaps we’ll have more categories one day.

I'm Autistic, Now What

I’m glad you don’t feel the need to stifle your emotions anymore 💛

I'm Autistic, Now What

Ooh, thank you!

I'm Autistic, Now What

Both of your points summed up my thoughts better than I could! Thank you - I agree 😁

I'm Autistic, Now What

People seem to often discuss being "logical" as if it's inherently superior to any alternative, but I think it's just one way of looking at things or doing things. Someone who only ever uses logic to get through life will have a harder time than people who can bring a more robust toolset into situations. Honestly, I considered myself very logical for a long time, but now I realize that I was over-relying on analysis as a coping mechanism, a pattern I had used to block out my emotional self. While I do think my mind can work logically pretty effectively when needed, there are plenty of situations where being analytical just won't really help, and in most situations it can only get you so far.

Jordan Curry

I think often there IS "my truth" and "your truth". Depends on what we're talking about, of course, but usually when I've heard those terms used it's in contexts where there actually isn't an objective "truth", which I feel like is most situations as far as anyone is concerned. To "know the objective truth" is often a dubious prospect imo. Usually we're just comparing notes and trying to figure out how best to proceed.

Jordan Curry

Another one to add to the ever growing reading list... 🐌

B 🌻 A B

15:34 I've been seeing my current psychologist for over 2 years and she only decided to reveal it to me that there's a very good chance that I'm autistic a few months ago when I was in a monumental rut with my academic life. She was able to quickly pick up my autistic traits, and yet she justified her keeping it a secret for two years with the fact that I, the patient, asked for OCD treatment (what I was suspecting back then) and she wanted to adhere to that. It drives me crazy how it would have saved me from so many terrible experiences/some ill-fitted life decisions within those mere two years if she had just broken it to me out of the gate. I also had a different psychologist for a bit when I was 16 who, right upfront, diagnosed me with Asperger's 30 minutes into our first session, and my parents denied this based on their pre-conceived notions about autism and I stopped seeing her soon after. The answer was there, but I just didn't take it and never considered it again!! If it weren't for my current psychologist, it would have taken me way too long to find out. If I were to realize it on my own as many people have, I suppose there would have been more of a fear of being invalidated as I already have to prove myself a lot to seem competent, and having someone else notice and tell me I'm autistic before I can somehow gives the fact a bit more validity to me than having to bring up the question entirely on my own and progressively come to that realization, and make sure I was on the right track the entire time. I commend anyone who's gone that route--it must be pretty growing as a person to have to trust yourself with what you believe that way.

Lara

On the logical vs. emotional brain, growing up I always worked hard to stiffle emotions, so i definitely felt like i was logical to the point of being a robot. These days it's much more of a balance but I'm more on the emotional side.

Orson

"A BONE TO PICK" OMG! I was 10 years old, and had no clue wtf my teacher was on about.

Harry James

So many autistic people are also INFJ. Fascinating

Tessa Coker

I really like the summary of the book. I appreciate your opinion

Heidi Schwarz

I like the phrase critiques and interpretations. 🐌

RCarHar

🐌

Heather Ensign

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Ray Sincere

When I think about where the spectrum is going, I really think that it's going to include all neurotypes soon. We'll just expand the dimensions that are measured, and everyone will be placed on the spectrum. Then the actual label is just determined based on artificial boundaries that are placed on the spectrum. Even neurotypicals aren't all identical and could probably benefit from deeper introspection.

Dion

Probably a little weird compliment I'm going to give. I like your flapping stim. The way you flip through the pages makes me miss recreational reading.

Simplyinfamous=D

great video :) would love to read it too 🐌

professional_dumdum

I also dislike the word "tantrum". I used to work in childcare, and whenever I encountered a child experiencing a "tantrum", I would treat it as though it was a panic attack. I didn't know I was autistic back then, but I knew that I recognised what the children were experiencing and that treating them with kindness and patience would work better than "discipline".

Liam Lamb

I enjoyed primary school. I was a self-driven learner and that was supported by my teachers at primary school. I didn't enjoy lunch time because food is stressful and I would try to avoid the playground, but I loved books and most of the teachers enjoyed my unique takes on the tasks given. Secondary school was awful.

Liam Lamb

My traits was picked up by multiple medical professionals during treatment for my ed. I was going to get assessed at 13 I think but was too unwell still, so was assessed at 14 & got the diagnosis at 15 I think. I honestly don’t know if my autism would be picked up if I didn’t have gotten sick… also my AN wasn’t “typical” if they really had knew what was going on inside my head I would not been diagnosed with AN because the criteria wouldn’t fit me - that may be a common thing for autistic people who have “AN” . I have a lot of anxiety, I haven’t really been good to recognize it myself but I have still contact with one of the staff from hospital - she has expressed multiple times “I haven’t SEEN anyone have so bad and much anxiety as you” and she works in children inpatient psych ward. So I guess I am another autistic who experience a lot of anxiety. But I think I have it hard to recognize my emotions and what’s going on inside me so I thought anxiety is basically my meltdowns - I thought they were extreme panic attacks. Also thought anxiety was severe panic attacks too, because when it that obvious I can understand it better but when it’s my “normal” state I can’t really. Oh sorry for this long comment, thank if someone read this far :)

Elma

🐌 physical copies are nice cause I can read it and then regift it to my mom who loves reading and is also on her own autism journey :) She also brought up on her own (she's very ashamed to talk about her autism thoughts around my dad) that she has been watching Orion's youtube so it would be even more wonderful as a gift.

Ellie Newton

🐌🐧

Julia Anne

🐌

Sarah R.

I really enjoyed the format of this video. I felt like it was well done, of course, because I think you are talented at making videos in general 😆I had already read most of the book, skipping around here and there highlighting feelings or situations that resonate with me. I initially even bought the book so that it could help give me a better worded explanation of my experience.

MelissaSpirit_13

oh i might used the term obsessive interests in the future, i like this wording :)

Toffle

🐌thanks Meg :) great video as always!! sorry in advance for the long comment, just thought i'd share some stuff i don't really like the word "special" due to connotations but personally use "special interest" as it is the word that i hear the most and makes the most sense to people. i'm not sure why, perhaps just the way the phrase is used, but i don't associate "special interest" with the same negative connotations as when i see the word "special" in other contexts. TW: suicide also, i was somehow diagnosed in the wild (uk) so it does happen in the nhs. but unfortunately i had to reach complete crisis point for it to be recognised (had a similar burnout to you but in the first year of uni). unfortunately it took multiple attempts of my own life and years of dealing with anxiety and depression for the mental health team to pick it up. sometimes i wonder how different things would have been if i was diagnosed earlier even if it was just as a teen before a levels and uni. it makes me angry that a lot of us have to reach these breaking points for out autism to get recognised. anyway, on a less negative note. I'm currently recovering from burnout and will hopefully get well enough to return to uni. in the meantime finding your videos really really helped me. i remember watching one of your videos after i was diagnosed and i cried so much (good crying) just like "wow there's someone like me out there" and finding the autistic community and seeing that so many of us share things in common is so lovely

Toffle

About to read Ellie’s book now, interspersed with short stories “She and her Cat”. Question to you all, we love cats, right or not? So many autistic YouTubers that I follow have cat/s like me. Now that IS a passion!

Tessa Coker

But then you got to the part about coffee and I am reminded that I switched to decaf to "reduce my heart rate and general activation level" as i explained it to myself. So... anxiety

Ken K

Also I feel like I am not anxious. But I have heard a few times that with a lifetime of anxiety it may just feel like normal.

Ken K

I like the term "special interest" because it is unique to Autistic interests. Some people prefer "passion" but I think they are different to passions (because they can also be ritualistic or just soothing) and also they are more magical IMO than when just anyone says they are "passionate" about something. I don't want my special interests to be conflated with any other kind of way of relating to something. And they are also central to Autistic well-being.

Ken K

I really enjoyed listening to your insights. You looked extra comfortable. Yes, do the podcast!!!! I would love listening to it. 🐌

Nemegliphy

I also feel highly logical/analytical and extremely emotional. I do tend to test INFJ on the Myers-Briggs, but the I and N are the highest, followed by the J; I'm kind of between feeling and thinking because I'm strongly both. I will say that my mother, who self-identified as "an aspie" back in the late '90s, was surprised to find out in the last few months of her life that I also self-identify as autistic, because she is much more logical and very restrained in terms of showing emotion. But I know she felt strong emotions and was highly empathetic towards animals, as am I.

Kira Barnes

🐌

Susan

I had to hastily post the previous comment. OMG can't an autistic listen to another autistic in a spa after a day full of family beach holiday meltdowns with his neurodivergent family. My "relaxing" spa experience was briefly wedged in between my child's meltdown and an alarm. My daughter's meltdown refusal to deny the forces of nature slowly seaping out of her and go to the toilet whilst I waited somewhat patiently to get into the spa so as not to traumatise my daughter with the noise of the spa. Finally getting in 30 minutes later it thankfully was still warm. I finished the last few minutes of your amazing video then was greeted by the peaceful sound of the fire alarm and my "calmly" frantic family evacuating before my wet naked ass. Deserted and alone I slowly made my way out of this hotel hell hole to frantic children worrying their forgotten comforters would be exploding in the hotel "fire". We then had dinner, my daughter refused to eat, then refused to eat a safe food of her choice back at the hotel, and eventually after letting her pick the same exact safe food her meltdown finally subsidies. I then pulled the plug out of the now cold spa. Such is life of a 🐌. It was so redicious I just had to share 🤣🤣🤣 Long story short. I forgot what I intended to write in my original comment but the video was amazing and I hope you do more like this one. I also agree listening to the lived experience stuff is the best bits of any neurodivergent content.

Glen Rose

🐌Booktube all over again🐌 That was really great, thank you.

Glen Rose

I love the book review, would love to see more book reviews, especially the ones from Page Layle and Devon Price. I think it would be really great if we could do a reading group/ book club on the discord server where people who would be interested could also read the same book and discuss it there, maybe leading up to your video review of the same book.

Cambri

Well, there you have it, now there's another book coming my way that's going to sit on top of my already fairly substantial to-read pile for ages. But I will definitely get to it! Eventually. When the lightning strikes my brain. Thank you for putting so much time and effort into this video! I really enjoyed the more 'relaxed' setting and, if I may say so, you yourself seemed more relaxed(/unmasked), as well. (Not that you come across as a rigid person normally, at all!) So, to summarize: I'm a bit of a mess, but a mess who thoroughly appreciates all you do for us autistic peeps. May you be able to continue doing this for ... as long as you want and feel comfortable to!

Annemiek

It has been nice and relaxing! Thank you Meg 🐠

Captn Al

I feel highly logical and incredibly emotional I feel like the ‘strong sense of justice’ can stem from having high logic and being hyper-empathetic. It’s not logical that some people are struggling to put food on the tables while billionaires could buy a country just to store their spoon collection

Captn Al

I’ve disliked the term ‘special interests’ - I prefer ‘obsessive interests’ because I feel like it explains the level of intensity a bit better I don’t mind the word special in general though, I feel like ‘special’ has connotations of the spark in life or the magic to the autistic experience. There’s suffering but also sparkling delights✨🪲🌈🪲✨

Captn Al

I love the longer videos. I want a 🐌

Simplyinfamous=D

I've watched this now 🐌 Ngl I would totally listen to you read and talk about books 📚

TransGuyShane

Great video, I didn’t know he had a book! i love Orion Kelly, i’ve started reading unmasked too so i’m excited for that from you ❤️

ethan hall 🇬🇧

No sure which type of smile but I’ll send all. 😊😀😬🙂😆😄😃🙃. This was lovely Meg, I enjoyed the video structure.

Thailiyah lindo

Thanks for this review, it was fab! I've purchased the book and the next one you're reviewing so I look forward to your next review :) xxx

Lisa Hoffin

🐌🐌🐌 I loved this so much and I second Fern Brady’s ‘Strong Female Character’. It’s so good and the Audible book is so pleasant to listen to so I’ve “read” it multiple times. Thank you for this video, Meg! 🐌🐌🐌

Megan Fogliano

Sold! I enjoyed this review and recommend, Meg; looking forward to more in future. Orion's book sounds good to me, I'm'a pop it onto my birthday loot wish list! 😊

Hyla Tracy

I've seen Autistic vs. autistic quite a lot. It's sort of like Black vs. black or Deaf vs. deaf to denote a community or culture as separate from the noun/adjective. When I see it I interpret it as the person is relating to the Autisic culture/community as part of their identity as opposed to just "being autistic" (i.e. someone who was diagnosed). Or maybe that's just me.

MagnaCorpus

Oooh, I’m the autistic who’s not anxious! I have experienced lots of stress and depression in my life but for the majority of the time I’m very laid back and calm. I don’t worry about the future and I also have a very reduced sense of fear, in fact I’m quite adventurous and unfazed in the midst of danger compared to the average human. This could be part genetics and part having a very supportive family growing up.

Evan Finnian

🐌

Abi Gough

Just started the video! Been so excited for this one :)

Ramy

I was also diagnosed after a psychologist flagged that I might be autistic, but in my case she was my therapist for ten years before she realized that I could be autistic! She spent some time last year educating herself on neurodivergent conditions that she hadn't been taught enough about before and recognized patterns in my presentation that fit with what she was learning about different ways that autism can present that don't fit the traditional picture.

Sarah R.

I'm babysitting but I will definitely watch later and hour long video yes please ❤️

TransGuyShane

I think when I was younger I was more logical, but as I grow older I find myself being more emotional. It could also be that I was always emotional, and am just more in touch with myself.

Jonathon

I really enjoyed this video, thank you. Love Orion and am pretty sure I'll love reading his book as well 🐌

Miss Callisto

Oh my god. That jumper you're wearing at the beginning ❤🐌🐻🐷🐴🐯🦉❤ (Desperately trying to pretend that there was a snail in Winnie the Pooh.) On that note have you read "Pooh and the Psychologists". Each character is broken down by a psychologist and diagnosed. Piglet = anxiety. Tigger = ADHD - hyperactive type. Etc etc (I won't ruin them all for you.)

Tim Tree Frog

Ya on the logical side of things instead of emotional it depends on the situation. I had a friend in high school who was in her jr year (age 16-17) (I was senior age 17-18) she had dated a guy who was 22 years old and in the military. After only 2 weeks of dating he broke up with her over text. She was hysterical. I did and still dont understand how and why it was a big deal. On the other side of the coin I feel very deeply. 🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌 the snails go marching!!!

Morgyn Olson

That would be awesome!

Fern

Not yet, but I'd love to! Maybe for a future video 😁

I'm Autistic, Now What

I love Orion follow him on fb YouTube

Maria Nelson

Have you read Fern Brady's book, Strong Female Character, yet Meg? It's on my reading list.

Fern


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