Question re: patron satisfaction

Well what I heard from a lot of people was that they prefer my videos filmed, so filmed it is, especially since that was a Patreon goal. Yes, I'm diversifying - in fact, I'm going basically everywhere, because now that YT pays me next to nothing in ad revenue, I have no reason to limit my uploads to there. By the way, if you want a serious way to get updates, sign up to this email list I'm testing out: list.logicked.com I also considered some revisions to my presentation which may help but I'm playing that close to the chest as I experiment. Nothing major though. Yes, I've considered doing other subjects but it can be hard to branch out, especially when I'm not that familiar with the material. It's on my list, though. Thanks!

Logicked

I've been thinking about this and I wanted to ask some questions. I don't know if they'll help. I don't even have the answers. First, I noticed you went back to doing your physical appearance; have you any ability to assess the time vs return on this? In other words, do you know if this is worth your time, or could you do something else with that time to gain more patrons & therefore more money? For me, it adds nothing to your arguments or show. Not that I'm complaining that you do it. Have you considered diversifying output through multiple outlets and channels? I know other successful channels end up being sustained by merchandise, chat events, personal-story channels, etc. Maybe a pop-culture approach to debunking? I don't know what that might entail; maybe other conspiracy theories or something. I remember a few other youtubers discussing financial security coming through a multitude of sources beyond patreon. Perhaps some people like The Bible Reloaded or even someone like Phillip Defranco (to name someone outside the skeptic-sphere) may be able to offer ideas? I do want you to be able to be financially secure. Best of luck. You still have my support. :)

Kay Smith

I've thought about medical woo but never got around to it. It could be an interesting change of pace.

Logicked

But think of that thick, juicy Big Mac! Actually, never mind, forget I said that. Thanks for your support!

Logicked

You're the only reason I have a patreon. Not going anywhere. 15 a month, I can skip Mcdonalds once a month for your videos.

Cody Yaw

That's easily done with the monthly max feature.

Logicked

what I need is to pay 5 dollars in month not by video

Lene Ramirez

"We've started charging patrons for the monthly payments cycle. Please consult our newly updated Help Center if you have any questions!"

Jeff E

I'm not sure but i saw this message when i logged into patreon today maybe it's the reason?

Jeff E

Not sure why this occurred - maybe it's a fluke. I've been a fan of your work since your early series on creationism. And I'm happy to see you return to finish Kent Hovind off. Keep it up!

William M Snell

I like your content quite a bit because of how well sourced it is; i'm going to have to up my pledge after hearing about this. My assumption would be that some people wanted to help when you were asking for the money after the addsense problems but have cooled off since then, a lot of people probably thought of it as more of a fund raiser than a sustained pledge. If that's the case, have you thought of branching out into debunking medical woo or attempting more collaborations to introduce you to a new audience? I wish you luck!

Thomas St. Clair

I've supported several creators on a temporary basis in the past. The one creator that I will support as long as I possibly can is Theramintrees. The videos he makes are next level logic bombs for me. It's always a new philosophical or psychological angle that I hadn't thought of in the past. Having said that, I'm not planning on withdrawing my support here anytime soon.

I haven't really had my finger on the pulse of things lately. Yeah, marketing seems increasingly necessary.

Logicked

What are the other creators you know saying about this? It may be nesassary to keep the plates spinning, so to speak. Keep selling that logicked brand. I would agree with jonlin above.

James Taulbut

I enjoy what you have been putting out, sure a bit of me misses Kent and John, but I'm glad you are doing what you currently find interesting. Keep up the good work man.

Devin Everaert

I also run a patreon creator page (on separate account). And I can say that I noticed that the initial peak was a few hundred dollars above my eventual plateau. Later that was followed by another higher peak and another dip and plateau after a marketing breakthrough. I find marketing super distasteful, but I have to admit that finding ways to do it is really a must-do at least until you are comfortably past your requirement.

Allen Webster

I wasn't aware it actually was becoming a boycott but it seems it is, which I find absolutely ridiculous. That's a good point, though - it might be a seasonal thing as well.

Logicked

Logicked, I am not sure what to say about the drop. I have to look into the boycott you were discussing as this is the first I am hearing of it. Your content is fine by me. I am not the artistic type that can do what you do or compete with the Logicked brand in creative ideas. I would like to add that it might be a pattern that you are not used to in pledges, or the time of year when back to school expenses / vacations can undercut your pledges.

James Taulbut

For the most part, I'm enjoying the content. It has good content, decent variety - not every piece is to my taste (not big on the Armored Skeptic thing) but overall, enjoying it. That said, as above, a lot of people jumped on when you made your plea, and were happy to help out in the short term. But as everyone is in the same position, they may be trying to share their wealth a number of creators.

The Darkmom Consortium

as unappealing as the thought of self-promotion and marketing is, I suspect it plays some part in the decline. i was initially moved to become a patron by a combination of your impassioned plea combined with the potential loss of your channel. the response was very good to the plea, and i see the increased content. i deal with the same issue working for a non-profit-- sometimes you need to remind people why they are supporting you and of the good work being done. recognizing patrons at the end of videos is nice, as are the other perks of being a patron-- but it doesn't hurt to remind patrons that in addition to being appreciated, they are also needed. not sure if that made sense so feel free to ignore me, most sane people do.

jonlin

I am very satisfied with the content as is. So no idea why ppl are unsubscribing.

Michael

I'm target market for what you are doing now. I like this content and I plan to keep supporting it.

Vincent Bryce

Also the lobbying from a group"Hope Not Hate" against Lauren's actions allegedly lobbied again Patreon to take down the accounts of "Defend Europe" and to defund them Patreon capitulated to the group and is now trying to damage control. Not saying it's right or wrong I'm not a big fan of any of it just trying to inform

Malformation49

That's the point of contention. Wether or not these "rescue ships" are just human trafficking migrants into Europe or that they are actually saving lives and what Lauren is doing is hindering that cause. I'm not certain on that but I do think that Lauren is going about things in a way that I don't like literally pulling a ship in front of another ship to make it stop and turn around. The video that Patreon CEO Jack Conte made addressing the issue at least tries to make this an issue of action rather than speech which I appreciate. Not just Lauren Southern but all accounts linked to "Defend Europe" have been banned and plenty of accounts have gotten banned for speech and not action while plenty of BLM and other far left accounts have been left up and even been in personal contact with Jack the CEO. Everyone has lost patrons this month and I'm not saying it's not stupid but you should look to diversify though maybe some YouTube live streams and super chat. I'll still be here on Patreon supporting you and the creators I like enough to give the little bit of money I can afford to give.

Malformation49

I was afraid this might be the case, since the initial influx of Patrons arrived in order to meet your requirements. I don't think it has anything to do with you or what you're doing. I think people might have gotten swept up in the initial excitement of helping, but eventually had cold feet. I can try to up my own payments if you think that would help. Whatever the case may be, please let me know if there's anything I can do to help you. You're genuinely one of my favorite Youtubers and I was you to be able to pursue this path for as long as you desire. I'm serious; you have my Discord. Let me know if I can help.

Ryusuta

This is all so dumb. Lauren Southern does some really stupid shit and gets banned for endangering lives, and therefore...? It's a free speech issue and Patreon hates everyone right of Steve Shives, apparently? Man, I wish these propagandists would cut it out with all the lies and the bullshit and own their mistakes, instead of attacking the rest of us.

Logicked

Bluntly yeah that's totally the reason. I get it though creators are obviously talking about it cuz it's "community news" and they all use Patreon and that's obviously a problem. People would be doing the same thing with video platform if there were any kind of competition with Youtube

Malformation49

Because of Lauren Southern being banned, or what?

Logicked

Some creators, some of who I am a patron of, are saying that they wish to get off Patreon amap and to find other means of crowd funding. Not specifically for people to get off Patreon idk who is saying that.

Malformation49

Myles...you're jumping off Patreon because someone told you to?

Logicked

There's also the matter of never intending to patronage indefinitely. When I leave it's when I realize that I've given you is much money as I wished and now I'm going help out a different thing.

Myles Darling

There's quite a lot of people telling me to get off Patreon right now. Can you offer an alternative method of patronage?

Myles Darling

I have no issues with your content. I agree with Sally Ferguson on people realizing they can't sustain their pledges. I also know, personally, I've been hit with unexpected medical & educational financial strain (I'm in the U.S). I wouldn't be surprised if that's also the case with some others.

Kay Smith

I'm not unhappy, but what I figure, because I've seen this happen to others as well, is that whenthe adpocalype happened, lots of people rushed to sign up to support all their favorite content creators. Then they got those first couple of monthly bills and realized that level of support wasn't sustainable. I've had to cut back on some of my pledges (not yours tho!) for that reason..

Sally Ferguson

Even if you just do a livestream for certain patron-tier they'll love it

Chibi Mushroom (Mahasu)

If you do a public live-stream people will likely just throw money at you for superchat, so you could do something like another padre video or a more informal off-the-cuff debunk of someone live, I bet people would love that, and you can always do the same regular padre or debunk video later if you want it to be a more formal debunk

Chibi Mushroom (Mahasu)

Good point, I rescind that last part

Chibi Mushroom (Mahasu)

Not sure why then, your content is constant and still of high quality.

Jolandar deVries

I reviewed my pledge history, and everything was in line with my expectations. The kind of stuff that I like the best is John Pendleton type videos. Keep up the good work!

Mister CPU

Cool, thanks!

Logicked

Yes, I expected some settling, but the rate is accelerating.

Logicked

There may be some that signed on during the initial push that are less interested now. Probably just some people jumping off the bandwagon.

Jolandar deVries

Totally understand. Do what you need to do. Thanks for letting me know.

Logicked

Just set a monthly cap.

Jimbolia

I can't answer your question but your new videos are great and I always look forward to seeing your name in my inbox. - I'm adding an extra $5 to my subscription just 'cos I love ya!

Sara

You should try diversifying though logicked. Minds.com is something I've barely used but I know it has monetization similarly to patreon.

Malformation49

yeah, must be punishment from Allah for taking of the veil

civilization fiction

I took a huge pay cut in a job change. It's been difficult to keep food on the table for my family. I totally support you and will contribute when I can. Keep it up.

Aaron

Sweet!

Logicked

Oh for fucks sake. On the plus side, I just saw you have hoodies with you on it. Eeeeee! Payday I'm getting one! And a mug. And your second born....I mean, a shirt.

Clark

Nah, this has been a problem since before then.

Logicked

People are idiots.

Logicked

No, not the people who are already gone. But the people who are planning to go. I've lost a $10 patron every day now for 3 days, although the trend has been getting worse for a while. So there are probably some planning to leave.

Logicked

She got banned from Patreon for interfering with rescue boats, which Patreon saw (probably correctly) as potentially leading to loss of life. And then people started whining that it was because Patreon hates free speech and the right wing.

Logicked

Maybe they were just here like predators lurking on you and your covered beauty, hoping to see behind the burqa. You're basically tainted now.

Neurectoblaste

It's probably the Lauren thing.

Oskar Jungell

No idea, man. Can you even reach the people who no longer "patreonize" you by asking here? You might be locked into an echo chamber of patreons here.

civilization fiction

I know that I had to make some financial decisions lately and the only patron I kept was you. You were the first and the one I find deserves it the most. I've been with you for a while, and I'm not going anywhere soon. I don't know what the Laura Southern thing is though. Is something going on there?

Clark

I'm not going anywhere

Aaron Thomas

As for why,no clue. The above speculations seem likely. Maybe some Greg fans were overly butthurt? Kinda doubt it.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden

I know I had to cut back because I'm starting college soon so I could only do $15

Jacob Lippold

So long as I have money to spare, I'll always give you some. You're an important voice, sometimes THE most important voice. Hell, I'm planning to up my sponsorships if my raise comes through.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden

From my understanding that is the cause, or at least a large part of it. I loved this months videos so I doubt it's you.

Riley Scott

Jesus christ, it could be the Lauren Southern paranoia and people deciding to boycott Patreon. If that utter bullshit is the cause and it's starting to actually hurt everyone financially, I'm gonna be so pissed.

Logicked

I'm getting exactly what I wanted out of my patronage so I for one am happy.

Sapph Wolf

Might be that it's $2 per video rather than per month, so if you post like 5 videos a month all of a sudden people get charged $10 and they may not know why so they purge. Personally I'd prefer a per month charge rather than per video so I can have a more solid cost per moth I have to account for in my budgeting

Chibi Mushroom (Mahasu)

It's more than likely people purging from Patreon not specifically your channel itself

Malformation49