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Doggopocalypse

The girlies discuss the rise of pet culture — how we managed to domesticate animals, why we love them so much, and how a pet-centric world may not be best for either of us. Digressions include a heavily edited intro to save us from placement on an FBI watchlist.

This episode was produced by Julia Hava and Eliza Mclamb and edited by Olivia Burdette. Research assistance from Penelope Spurr. 

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Comments

Not to be annoying but is there any way you can give a little trigger warning for animal killing or cruelty

mozillafirerox

Oh man, I LOVE dogs but they absolutely shouldn’t be everywhere (with the exception of trained service animals - that’s entirely different).

Monica Parks

on getting pets ready for a new baby: when my brother was born and our dog stopped getting attention, he would bite all the little boys in the neighborhood (and me bc i had a bowl cut)…

Amanda R

I remember watching the Grizzly Man doc a few years ago and I believe the reason he got mauled to death by that bear was because he last minute decided to go back to the reserve (?) towards the end of the season when the bears are more desperate to eat enough food before hibernation, and there weren’t enough fish in the stream, so the bear ventured off and ate him and his girlfriend instead

Allison

Manhattan College mentioned omg

katrina!

Girlies I literally live less than five minutes away from where the attempted assassination happened and when my mom called me and told me what happened my first thought was that the shooter was on top of a giant ice cream cone that sits across the street 💀 so that’s a fun little image

Michelle Kenyon

MITT ROMNEY tied his dog to the roof of his car!

Allison M

Don’t come for my pittie pls he is a sweet baby angel and him and my disabled cat are besties fr

Bailee Van Deren

Pugs and French bulldogs are sort of different story, pugs fuck and breed naturally, enjoy exercise, regular lifespan (one of my pugs is 10 and healthy) other pug is 1 and she goes on hikes, very active.

Robyn

Very nice episode

Elena Gaughan

I never had a pet growing up and I adopted my Kalito animalito in 2018, he is work but I love that creature so much.

Vanessa Carolina Marcano-Kelly

YES thank youuu

Maya Funk

Didn’t Azelia banks sacrifice her cat and do other problematic things? I know she’s briefly discussed in yalls podcasts and I wanted to know if it’s true lol

Camryn

Tara Brach?

Rae

dog episode before Palestine episode…getting nervoussss!!!

Emma

Talk about selective breeding let’s look at industrial animal agriculture:)

Aidan Halpin

As I’m listening to this I’m recounting a convo with my cousin who told me her job now allows one day of bereavement for pets

Aimee Albright

About the unnecessary vet expenses - this is unfortunately happening more and more! Venture capital has started buying up vet clinics that had previously had low profit margins because they genuinely cared for animals and only recommended what would be best for them - VC has gotten in and is trying to get people to pay for a lot more unnecessary treatments to make money. Be careful out there!

Anna

Hey guys can you help a binchie out? I remember Eliza and Julia raving about this amazing podcaster and/or author, I mean, this is their absolute FAVOURITE podcaster out there, I just forget her name but I’d really like to listen to a new podcast. I remember them talking about how she’s guided them through a lot in their lives and is kind of like a therapist for them, does anyone know who I’m talking about?

Maya Funk

I think it might have something to do with kids being even more expensive than pets tbh. I can’t support a whole kid but I can feed me dog.

Emily

My sister has a Frenchie and that poor creature has had so many health problems, most recent being a LABIAPLASTY (idk if it’s called the same thing with dogs prob not) but the dog kept getting yeast infections so they operated on her genitals :/ she also cannot breathe but she is pretty active surprisingly

Luteal Swan

heyyy for the LA tickets if we paid $50 for regular and now they’re $35 do we get vip automatically?

clairevalley

Love u but Peter singer is utilitarian not kantian methinks

Lucy

I work for the nonnative division of my states wildlife agency and all my coworkers basically have a stroke anytime they hear someone say they have an outdoor cat

Aubrey Rion

The book, "Survival of the friendliest" gives a lot of insight on the domestication of dogs and how they may have inadvertently domesticated themselves by being friendlier towards humans. Great book!

LB

i’m glad the fact tht yall brought up the fact tht dog food is incredibly processed. feeding your dog good food shouldn’t be seen as a “doggo mom” kind of thing 😭 there’s a lot of pros of feeding dogs actual food

Y

Waaaait I’ve had “animals in translation” on my bookshelf waiting to be read forEVER, did not even realize it was written by binchtopia queen Temple Grandin, will be reading immediately

Sarah

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney_dog_incident

molly cameron

for reference it was mitt romney + family who tied their dog to the top of the car driving to their cottage. mind you this was across multiple state lines and cross country usa to canada! go mormons!!

molly cameron

love this and you two are so beautiful and smart but unfortunately i will never not believe that my cat and i have been traveling through time and space together since the beginning of existence, switching off who gets to be the mom and who gets to be the daughter in every lifetime. when you know you know…….and eliza i know you get me on this

Claire Farnsworth

Peta sending death threats to indigenous people for their hunting rights will always be so ironic and wild go me

Maija Petterson

U guys are awesome! I love the pod

Aidan Babuka Black

Re the bear doc and anthropomorphizing have y’all seen My Octopus Teacher? One of my fav docs ever

Jillian Johnson

greyhounds r in sweaters coz they have thin coats so they need them plus most greyhound pets are likely ex racing dogs i don’t see them as fancy rather they’re exploited and rescued (i hope :3)

rooby 💋

When I found out Trump was shot at, my boyfriend and I were on our way to meet my friend and her husband for dinner. My friend texted us an imgur link to the news (who even uses imgur?! She is much older than me so maybe that explains?!) I saw the text come through on my CarPlay and I asked my boyfriend to look at the text as I thought it might be related to our plans. He was like she said Trump was shot but it’s Imgur so it’s clearly just a meme. Imagine our shock when we got to dinner and she told us it was real

Sarah

this is really funny because i was ALSO watching longlegs when donald trump got shot

sofia cannon

rip ruth curry ur a godly wife forever in my mind

girlies on the go

Honestly the Lewis and Clark story is wild yall should look into it

Liv Tambrini

once i was getting off of a plane and omw to baggage claim, and a woman who was walking her dog through the airport (no service dog vest or anything), stopped bc her dog took a shit on the floor. she just kept walking. i think about it every day.

Hope Kerrigan

Where was this post when there was a call for submissions lol https://www.instagram.com/p/C9gSvQWth2Q/?igsh=enN6eWZud3pocXU=

Babsy

although peter singer supported animal rights, he was super super ableist and even claimed that disabled people cannot reach full personhood. he adheres to preference utilitarianism and even suggests that infanticide of disabled newborns is acceptable… check out this article https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/peter-singer-on-speciesism-and-racism/?searchResultPosition=5

Jackie Barnes

Please come to Atlanta on tour!!!!

Sutton Smith

Omg I wish you guys had talked about service animals and the epidemic of people paying for ESA certifications online just so they can take their dog into fucking chipotle or something

Delaney O'Neil

Loved this ep!!! I recommend watching the movie Alpha (2018). It can be corny at times and isn’t always spot-on historically, but it’s a neat depiction of humans forming bonds with dogs (it takes place during the last Ice Age). Gave me goosebumps and made me SOB.

Court Knee

my dad literally makes sure our chihuahua is always in a sweater or a shirt at all times… to be fair, he always has the ac on blast in the house but still she’s SPOILED

madison 💐

Here’s one I love!!! https://open.spotify.com/episode/2TEDFbvF0Zi56FnEAx5Gb8?si=pN7VdLcRRDGYTPTF3rpRDg

Maria Whamond

i hate dog culture so much because one time i was really hungry and saw frozen yogurt in an ice cream fridge and was about to buy it before my friends annoying brother of questionable character was like “thats for dogs” real loud 😡 and he wasnt lying

Sumaiya Fazal

I’ve rolled the dice on many an adult mutt and getting a pup as an adult, you already have a good sense of their temperaments etc. My current dog is a rescue but pure bred, and she has more health troubles (mostly allergies) than any other dog I’ve owned!! I used to house/dogsit a lot and the pure bred or designer dogs (esp the little ones bred for aesthetics!!) were just not as smart or as healthy as the mystery mixes 🐶

Emily

The Binchies on par with the New York Times yet again! The Daily did an episode on Friday titled “Loving Their Pets to Debt” and discussed rising pet health care costs.

Adrienne

Naming my future dogs The Pleasant One and Gunther III

Skye Tarshis

Can we talk abt how fucked up peta is tho….. they are not really for the animals

Jane

Me listening to this while walking my dog who is on Prozac 😭 in my defense it was a last resort and queen was rlly struggling like terrified of everything and wouldn’t go outside & now she’s much better!!! I will say I got her as a puppy when I was 21 which looking back was a horrible idea and I caution people all the time before they get dogs because they are SO much work, but ultimately so glad I got my pup, she’s been with me through college and a cross country move and it’s truly just me and her and our collective mental illnesses against the world <3

molly

would you guys ever do an episode on the domestication and then abandonment of the pigeons? the dog domestication convo got me thinking and i find it so interesting and so sad.

cyn

i walked a fucked up little dog (frenchie) last summer as a side hustle when i was a jobless binch and i would CRY from frustration genuinely at how long it would take that dog to walk around the block. he didn’t let me pick him up so i would lowkey be DRAGGING him down the sidewalk to get him home. i have one sided beef w that dog

Kara

hello i am a POPE (person of PUG experience) we got our first when i was 10, and our second when i was 21. of course as a child i did not understand the ethics of breeding, i just knew my mom was super obsessed with pugs. like….OBSESSED. she spent literal years researching reputable breeders and found one where she got both of our dogs, as well as my aunt and cousins purchasing from this same breeder over the years. is it possible to be a responsible breeder in an industry that is fundamentally unethical? i’m not sure. but with that being said, all of the pugs we got from this breeder have lived or are living quite long lives with little to no health issues. they are happy, friendly, loving dogs. my mom and aunt got puppies from the same litter, bella and oliver, who both lived to be 16 and 17 which is like…absolutely ancient for pugs and our current girl maggie is 9 and living her best life, though a little chubby. as a now 30 year old cat person who is extremely against breeding, i do have to begrudgingly recognize that some breeders are better than others, though the industry as a whole is wildly unethical

holly

There is something very millennial about the pet culture/ pet parent phenomenon

Audrey

Is this a safe space to admit that I get genuinely irritated when I see those cute “spa” videos of dogs getting massages and spa treatments that I have never been able to afford. Like happy that dog is living its best life but damn it’s brutal out here when I’m jealous of dogs.

Audrey

I have no idea what you’re talking about but this made me laugh so hard

Audrey

“People need to remember that pets are not humans” People need to remember that humans are animals… and dare I say, not wild animals. Dare I say, children are pets. Romantic partners are pets. Corporate workers are pets given little money treats.

Sofia Mattson

twitter anthropomorphizing that one dog to be homophobic

Nicole

yay i needed this ep i cant be alone with my thoughts

alexandria

VEEP MENTIONED ‼️

Sam Haimowitz

idk if you are already aware but regarding other countries' assassination attempts, apparently Mexico has had an alarming amount of attempts/successful assassinations this year alone.....just starting reading about this but here's one short article if ur interested, it's so dark https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-candidate-assassinations-hit-grim-record-ahead-sundays-election-2024-06-01/

baby.yogurt

Girlies I’m beggggging you to come to Denver at some point plz ❣️ it’s also in between LA and New York; symbolic, no?

Brooke

commenting this as someone who grew up fostering dogs for rescue orgs : if you are ever considering buying a specific breed from a breeder PLEASE look into breed specific rescues first! these rescues work incredibly hard to pull dogs from shelters and have an actual sense of the dogs personality vs buying a puppy from a breeder you will have no idea what personality/energy needs that dog will have as an adult I unfortunately know lots of people who have spent thousands of dollars on breeder dogs that do not fit their lifestyles or they do not care to properly train, it’s a dangerous situation for the dogs, their owners, or anyone the dog may encounter in public

maya

If any binchies are interested in the intersection between animal rights and disability rights I would strongggggly recommend Beasts of Burden by Sunaura Taylor!! Incredible read, changed my perspective on both completely

Sarah

The Daily just did a good episode on the cost of vet care and it’s crazy

morgan

I have 3 and I’ve had good luck with Lemonade! Saved my a$$ last year when one of my sweet girlies had an $800 tummy ache last year 🤪 Edit: I recommend because the reimbursement happened really fast and was pretty no-fuss.

Al K

if ur in LA the shelter is Best Friends LA, they have hella cats/kittens too!

Bori Frankus

(Re-Commented this taking out the "doggo" phrase) I fostered a dog for 3 weeks this month and recently had to part ways as he got adopted. I fostered him because I tend to get bad summer depression and I knew that having a dog would help and let me say it did! having to go on 3 walks a day with him, coming home to someone so excited to see me and give me cuddles, taking care of a being outside of myself... all factors that seriously improved my mental health. So so happy he got adopted but I actually have been distraught from the grief of letting him go. Still highly recommend fostering animals as it helps them so much (not only does it help them regulate outside of the hectic/noisy shelter, but the adopter said that my foster notes helped him choose the dog!) but seriously beware of the emotional aftermath

Bori Frankus

Girl, don't feel bad about caring for your pet in the best way your means will allow. I absolutely agree that human lives > pet lives while at the same time, poor care, nutrition, and breeding practices is the exact reason why there are so many sick animals, too many for our planet to care for

Brianna Bogucki

I mean, the amount of dogs that have a breed classified as "pit bull" in them and people would never recognize it, those bans are so difficult to regulate and really unfair for those of us who are responsible. People absolutely should not be getting attacked but how about we ban irresponsible dog owners from public spaces/parks lmao myself & my leashed Staffordshire Bull Terrier have been attacked by both an unleashed doodle & a German Shepherd on our walks, and he did not bite back either time. I get that certain dogs have stronger jaws but it all comes down to how you train and handle your dog

Brianna Bogucki

happy early birthday to meeeee

Hannah 🌸

the facility was also on 14 acres of land in texas so…..

jaq

we also had maid services for these dogs 😭😭😭 they also had their little cliques of 6 dogs or less and we let them out 8 times a day in 15 min increments

jaq

i worked at a bougie dog boarding facility that had this one small mean little dog that only ate on paper plates, had pre bagged home cooked meals, and only ate if the food was warmed up first. this same dog had a chauffeur pick her up in a black g wagon back to their mansion a few miles away

jaq

any other cat parents have good pet insurance recs ???

jaq

rolled the dice with my mutt and he’s perfect for me. the problem is that people would rather shell out thousands than put in the work to train a dog from the pound. also, no dog is going to be perfect right off the bat regardless of if it came from a breeder or not

Emily D

eliza i must inform you vis a vis Longlegs/assassination attempt double header that trump was born on june 14……

Phoebe Hart

My boyfriend and I literally keep a count on how many dogs we see that AREN’T doodles on walks together, and it doesn’t ever get to the double digits it seems. The sheep behavior of every 20-30 year old owning a shriveled up, misbehaved chicken nugget is shonking

Rylee

My chihuahua and I listening to this ep as I prepare his chicken rice and veggies for breakfast 👁️👄👁️ but in all seriousness I love him as if I birthed him myself and I just want him to eat real, nutritious food so he can have a long and healthy life :(

Dynasti deGouville

I was sitting on a Buc-ee’s toilet when I found out trump got shot lol #america

Sophie

would highly recommend the book fifteen dogs for a fictional exploration of human consciousness and pets! it’s based on a very creative premise!

ali

from personal experience I wanted a doggie for years in college, got one during grad school, I love my 100lbs golden retriever to death but god does he make my life more complicated in ways that my 22 yo mind could not understand. However we snuggle and go on hot girl walks everyday and he is the light of my life (I live alone) Def foster or rover b4 getting a doggie.

Emily Klingaman

My pugs are absolute freaks of nature but god are they cute

Susie McKeon

Did you guys know John Hinckley makes music? It actually kinda goes hard...

Phoebe

I used to feel the same way but dogs from good breeders have predictable temperaments/energy levels/aptitudes so I can’t really blame someone for wanting that rather than rolling the dice with a mutt

A

Come to San Diego 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Erin Valenzuela

omg Barnard dog prof mentioned! my friend works in her lab😲

Gina Brown

my hometown (pop. 1000 people) has a Pitt bull ban/removal notice. 12 people were soooo pissed but now my grandma doesn’t get mauled on bike rides 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Ariel.Sls

Teddy Roosevelt’s daughter, Alice, had so many weird pets!

Adrianna

babes you should read All For The Game next. think gay mafia sports romance. trust me it’s crazy.

Gina Brown

amazing episode!!! as a wildlife binchie, outdoor cats are an ecological DISASTER!! keep them inside!!! also the fucked up looking dogs are sooo upsetting and no amount of cuteness makes me approve of the owners for their behavior! they cost thousands of dollars to live miserable lives and im so glad you guys talked about it!!

Sophie Foster Trask

ladies... do NAWT let curiosity get the better of you regarding that grizzly man audio... most hideous

grace

Surprisingly Australia has an enormous amount of wild camels

Bella

Our country is a season of South Park

Kay

you missed your opportunity to title it doggopawcalypse…

lily

“They did get him” referring to Lincoln 😭😭😭😭

Cassie Hudson

still creeped out from seeing longlegs earlier so this ep should put me back in good spirits😌

Amber Ramos

Not afraid to admit I am deeply judgemental of ppl who will buy a specific dog breed from a breeder!!! Obviously excluding service animals from this generalisation

Emily

There’s something about modern pet culture that is reminiscent of Alexander the Great naming a city after his horse. I won’t elaborate. But for real, as a mother to a literal human toddler, I find peak pet culture baffling and infuriating. Every time I take my daughter to the neighborhood park, there’s at least one dog owner trying to let their dog run around off leash in a space intended for children. And then get all huffy and roll their eyes when kids show up. Dog parks are a thing!!! And miss me with that “he’s friendly!” as your deranged golden doodle bounds toward my 2 year old.

Allie

wait i literally just walked out of longlegs and was sooooo relieved to see this episode posted so i can drive home with you two 🙂‍↕️

sophie jensen

It was MItt Romney who put his dog on the roof of his car! Me and my sister roasted him soo much during the 2012 election we had this whole skit about him lmao

Lily Ana Verna

I TOO was viewing longlegs during insurrection part 2 !!

Madeline Mauk

"much bleeding took place" Eliza free bleeding in the covid vaccine line

Lily Ana Verna

Olivia Burdette??

Carlee Knott

There’s a whole Sondheim musical abt American presidential assassinations, it’s called Assassins🫢

Jane L.

My friends and I came out of "Oh Mary" in NY to the news of the trump ear shot. Literally happened WHILE we were watching a comedy play about a presidential assassination.

flight delayed but I get this. thank you divas

Claire

I missed my chance to submit my email!!! I run a nonprofit in my city to provide food and supply support to pet owners so they don’t have to surrender their pets to a shelter. There was too much to include about the one health and human animal support services model

Amber

Girlies you have no idea the shift you saved my ears in

Jillian Figgins

Literally turned on my car to head home to work (1hr long drive) and this just uploaded!! Thank you for making my commute to work not bearable 😭🙌🏽

Hannah Jordan Kent

episode had me frothing… some might say like a dog

johanna

oh impeccable timing im paper macheting brat apple ✅

Eden Larkin

I’m lonely af pet sitting in a big house by myself (with doggo) THANK U FOR THE COMPANY♥️♥️♥️♥️

Jane L.

i’m up

Katherine Wynn

this is my first comment moment

skyye


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