PATREON EXCLUSIVE: Is Dating Women Even Worth It?

Its how women are conditioned now to be more entitled unfortunately and disrespect men even more. Proceed with caution and realize you are the asset to the relationship. There is a problem with gender roles making kids even more confused. In college did a little research in gender roles.

Im my experience the happy married couples most often happen to be Christian

It can be, but there are so many no-good people out there you may not find any available good women. They may already be taken.

Women seek money, men seek temporary beauty. I'm 65 and stopped dating 5 years ago. They're simply not worth it. Use hookers.

Roger Hayden

I knew I was being smart when I stopped dating women when I wasn't happy with the direction I was going in and was unsure about where to go next.

ActOnInstinct

First: thank you Alexander. I'm 74. Your videos are helpful even at my age in explaining the nature of women. I don’t remember if it was Alexander or Coach Red Pill who pointed out that women's biological imperative is also to get their genes into the next generation. This has some effects that younger men should know. First, a women is never again so sexual as during the time she is thinking about the prospect of children or when she is trying to conceive. Second, when she has children, they become her first priority. This will change you relationship. It’s not all negative. Children like all people come into the world with their own personalities. I am lucky. One really loves me. He stands out like a glowing ember. Back when I was in the dating market in the late 1960s and early 1970s if you didn’t have a relationship by the time you left high school or college, the process of finding women was much more primitive. I was actually introduced to my wife by a mutual friend. It wasn’t all negative. Feminism was not do developed and the process of stripping a man of his assets had not yet been turned into a fine art. Back then divorce actually required grounds like cruelty, adultery, or abandonment. My advice to young people is get married and stay married. To do otherwise for most people is a recipe for poverty. Also get a career in something medical.

I like this answer. I've been reading 'The Hero with a Thousand Faces' by Joseph Campbell recently and it's been making me think much more "spiritually"(quotes because that word seems to mean different things to different people). I've been looking at life in a more wholistic sense; taking into account that both good and evil are of the same source, that we are finite beings doomed to die and yet we and everything else emerge from the infinite and return thereto. In that light it becomes less important whether I gain or lose, fail or succeed or if I am loved, but rather it is important that I give, help and love others. I think this is the essential truth that all religions have sought to grant a solution to in mankind; a prescription to enable the embodiment of the infinite within the finite. If that was to esoteric or new-age I completely understand. I'm aware of how it sounds.

Asked my husband it was worth it, he said: It's a results-based decision. If you go on a few dates with a couple women, and they go well, it will be worth it. If they dont go well, it won't be. (I didn't think that was very helpful.) Then he said: In the short term, dating let's you enjoy another person's company while doing something fun. You will be glad that you did something sociable and had a good time. For exclusive dating, there will be many of those times, and probably sex, which will make good memories for you, even if you break up later. In the long term, dating often leads to marriage, which often leads to kids. And kids are awesome. But if you are so paranoid about the bad behavior you think she will spring on you later that you cant even enjoy the first dinner, then it won't be worth it for you. You just need to accept that you won't have kids, get married, or even have long term relationships.

Jennifer Coopman

Try some sex, try some drugs. Just be careful.

My ex fiancee was a single mother and left me back in September of this year. 2 weeks after we just bought a house together. Your videos were exactly what I was looking for, i dont like a lot of red pill videos because of the negative way they look at woman, with such apathy. I do understand that we have biological imperatives, and was looking for a channel to watch that fit my takings from the red pill but put in a more positive light rather than “all women are disgusting selfish creatures” way. Thank you Alexander, you have been helping me through my break-up, the lowest point of my life.

Great post, Joseph! I, totally agree with you!

Interesting discussion. Dating women is not the same as being in a committed relationship with one woman and maybe not enough was said about this distinction. I find it fascinating that the original poster says 'women do not feel any loyalty for this heroic sacrifice. Instead they actually are disgusted by the poor trade this man has made'. To me it sounds like an overreaction to an overly idealistic understanding of the sexual market place and his place in it. For example is 'sacrifice' an attractive quality? I think there is every reason to be optimistic and relationships can be amazing if this optimism is properly grounded in red pill awareness.

Andy

This is an amazing conversation - a much needed one in our society, especially among young men looking to set their trajectories in life. I think there are a few points that need to be added to the conversation, that Alex hasn't touched upon . 1.) The extreme power imbalance, favouring women, created by Western Family Law (and applying to unmarried men due to de-facto or common law legislation). This makes it extremely difficult to forge a true ‘partnership’ relationship, and forces unique and truly horrific risks upon men over and above the risks that both parties take when pursuing a relationship (risk of rejection, being betrayed, etc.). This is the reason that you see so many men claiming to be happy in marriage, yet visibly living in fear of their wives bad moods, and disapproval. Even in small things like spending time with their friends, pursing their hobbies, etc. One almost never sees the reverse - a wife constantly second-guessing as to the husbands approval, or stressing over being in the ‘bad books’ if she schedules in a girl night out, or takes up a new hobby, or gets home an hour late from the Christmas party. This tells you an enormous amount about the power imbalance that exists in most marriages/LTRs. 2.) The typical retort to the above - and the line of thinking in many of the comments - is that all you need to do is find a ‘high quality partner’. That somehow, if you can just achieve this, you have nothing to worry about. It’s as if the world is neatly divided into 2 completely separate groups - high quality (white) and low quality (black) - and that over the course of a marriage (say 30-50 years) a persons personality and traits will remain stable. In truth we all - both men and women - respond consciously and subconsciously to incentives. Power + lack of accountability brings out the worst in us. Power corrupts, and even the high quality people gradually slip into unethical, low quality behaviour if left unchecked by rules and boundaries. Most worrying, we humans have a tendency to do so very slowly, very subtly, and without even realising it (sub-consciously). It used to be that men had unchecked power, and the tales of abusive behaviour in the past have become enshrined in our culture. The pendulum has now swung the other way, and we are seeing women with unchecked power due to a combination of factors (legal system and consequent changes to elements of western culture that actually encourage bad behaviour). These are very real risks that need to be discussed and considered by young men. Not necessarily to convince anyone to avoid relationship per se, but to be go into relationships with eyes wide open. We need to discuss how men can take precautions to mitigate these risks, and push to encourage reform of our legal system to help men and women come together on an equal footing.

Amazingly well said Steve

Thank you for reminding me that it's worth it. Since I have discovered your channel I feel like being a completely different person, a hundred times more confident man, but at the same time I sometimes caught myself having hypervigilant thoughts and stating that it's not worth it. I would also like to hear your thoughts on sex as an addiction. I am a 23 year old virgin who have never had any intim physical interaction with a woman and one of my colleague who once upon a time used to have a lot of sex and used many drugs told me that sex is just as addictive as drugs and basically the best thing I can do is to not to try any of the drugs... Even the ones that don't usually cause addiction. Would that mean that I just should wait until I get into a very serious relationhip then lose it? Even if it's gonna happen at the age of 30 or 35?

I've found that the more I've improved as a man, the better my taste in women and the more desirable I feel. I feel it's best to not get too invested untill you are on the right path to becoming your best self and the that remaining on your path a purpose will make it worth it.

Seeking personal interest is a sign of imperfection. The more you ask yourself questions like 'Is it worth it? Is it a good transaction for me? Am I going to suffer?' the less we are acting out of charity and understanding our real destiny. Is taking care of my children worth it? Let's not miss the point. If you love, who cares whether you lose something. You always win when you date a woman out of charity. You help her in the same way you would help your elderly parents or kids. Out of sheer love. Problem is you don't get any prize in this life. It only makes sense when we die and we can tell ourselves OK I did it! Good job!!

I agree

Toot

I think that the differentiating factor between comments here that say "no, don't marry" vs. "yes, do marry" is a high quality woman. Just my assumption though.

I'm separated in my 50's and I got dates lining up in their 40's 30's and 20's, you must must must get your game up though, so much so that you can turn down any and all of them and not care. The more you care that you're in a relationship, the more you're going to turn women off. The more you don't want or need it, the more attractive you are. The bottom line is, whether you are or are not in a relationship, you have to FEEL and ACT like you are NOT in a relationship. Think carefully about that. Date, yes. Pursue, no.

absolutely agree mate, more men reporting happy marriage then women is very suspicious, we need to gather sincere experiences feedback.

I don't know happy married men. I know men who claim to be fine yet they tell the most horror stories: "she is a vegetarian so i'm pretty much a vegetarian, ... sorry I can't meet today cause my wife will kill me, ...I haven't had sex with my wife in months...". So when a married man claim to be happy but mostly complans, it seems more like he is trying to convince himself of a Lifetime decision. Like a bad tatoo. Don't get me wrong old single men are also bitter, the happy ones I've seen are in the first 3 months of dating. Alexander I have wrote you about this before, I'm begging you, If there are happy marriage men, please interview them to see some light in this tunnel.

Jimmy Madrigal

20+ years together and I think it’s worth it and know my husband feels the same. And we have several close friends who all met/married around the same time we did and they too are still happily married and believe it to be worth it. That said, we also have plenty of coworkers, friends, and acquaintances who’ve had bad, to really bad, experiences- so we generally express... caution... to younger people if the topic of relationships/marriage ever comes up.

I know a few guys in their 50's that are happy and are chill blokes. Saying none are happy is a very extreme position in my books.

I'm an older guy - 53 "Women here usually take this route just before menopause when their hormones surge one last time before shutting down. As you can understand, women do not feel any loyalty for this heroic sacrifice. Instead they actually are disgusted by the poor trade this man has made." This is 100% true. To you younger guys out there, do yourself a favor and seek out older men and ask them about their experiences before you get married. I wish I had. For starters, you won't find any men over 45 that are happy in their marriage. You just won't. Even the ones that say they are will qualify that statement heavily. If you don't believe me, simple talk to 10 men over 40 who are married, take notes and do the math. It will sober you. Offer to take your girlfriend with you, LoL. It will never happen.

Kent C Johnson

I agree with Alex, I think it’s totally worth it to date women!