EARLY ACCESS: Alexander Grace Gets Blackpilled

So I'm 158 cm tall, 38 y/o. I've heard just about everything, from non short men (includes women) giving advice, mocking, bulling or being dismissive, to treating it like a disability. Yet it took me about 2 months to get the courage to watch this video. I didn’t heard anything new, I’m just glad Alexander didn’t get 100% blackpilled as the tile says, yet Mr. waffles did bring u a lot of good points there.

Jimmy Madrigal

I agree, It took me 2 months to get the courage to watch this video solely based on that title

Jimmy Madrigal

I absolutely dont understand the negativety against plastic surgery. If the woman became attracted to you because of your looks, those looks should still be something that she is staying for. Turning the man down after learning that his looks were improved would only make sense if you are 1) religiously against plastic surgery, 2) some kind of natural beauty supremacist, meaning you think only people winning the genetic lottery should have the right to look that good. I'd have no problem if the woman I was dating had done some work. Lips, boobs, whatever.

Luge Fisker

Alex is a SIMP and is in denial about his Norwood rating !!!

Oliver

He's a 20 year old kid who has the basics on lockdown. I don't care what he brands himself as. He could definitely use a few more W's and even few L's. I think men his age have the biggest problem is their sexual and relationship plummet when all those young ladies who were considered off-limits are now adults and fair game for men 25+

I was wondering on why he did not do a face interview. Also my opinion as to why he would be rejected would be more to do with his very mono tonic and boring voice. I know someone is short and unattractive, and a very irritating voice but never had a problem with getting women because he is engaging and not a boring git. He was rejected many times but there were always an equal quantity finding him dateable,,

Alexander, following some of your YouTube comments, I'd like to help clarify the height units for you... There are 12 inches in a foot. The apostrophe or single quote (') is short for foot or feet. The double quote (") is short for inches. So for example, 5'11" is 5 feet and 11 inches, often informally pronounced as "five foot eleven", or just "five eleven". Some writing lazily may omit the trailing double quote, like 5'11. Don't use decimals for measurements in feet, at least not when you're being precise within inches, which basically always includes height measurements. It's unconventional, and readers won't know if you actually mean tenths or twelfths (inches). (Like if you say 5.5, do you mean 5'5", or 5' +1/2' = 5'6"?)

beret-doppelganger

My personal conclusion on this thread and the whole topic of blackpill. a) it's hard to swallow if you are subfive or average b) it's irrelevant if you're normie, chad or woman Also blackpill is not about sex and dating. You don't have to be an incel to be blackpilled. A lot of blackpilled guys had a relatively normal sexual and dating life. For me blackpill is about a mental and social health in a first place. For a subfive man it's hard to be a productive member of society when society made you redundant and unwanted. Not a fair deal in my view. Still don't have answers though.

The point is that 3 could be 4 or 5- on the best day, but never a 7. Actually the whole 10 point system is redundant. Having Chads, Normies and Subfives will be enough.

Alexander is right about his Patreon community; it's one of the reasons I joined.  I enjoyed reading and learning from comments on his public videos (even the nasty ones have knowledge to be gleaned if you look for it), so I was excited to do the same here.  I always read the comments and have been so appreciative of everyone's thoughtfulness and intelligence, even when I disagreed. I have learned so much from you all, so thank you!

Jennifer Coopman

This guy is scarily persuasive... I had him rate my looks as well and he gave me a 6. But he did consider my pictures well taken, and added that on dating apps I'd be perceived as a 7. With that being said. I think looks are so crucial as he pointed out with various examples and statistics (that's where the persuasiveness comes in again). However, there's too many edge cases that haven't been dealt with. Oh well, you can only discuss so much in 1.5 hour. It will be geomaxxing for me. Asia here I come.

Yes, I think the reason why the blackpill does not discuss the importance of personality or even deny it is because the blackpill is mostly founded by sub 5s when they realised that their personality did not matter as they were filtered out right at the start due to their physical appearance. Hence, they have not dated and were unable to discover the importance of personality in attraction and relationship.

I used to buy into black pill but I don’t think it’s extreme as some people are making it… there is a lot of truth to it but I feel like I see couples that aren’t looks matched all the time… I see girls that are objectively 2 points higher than there partner more than I see guys two points higher than there partner however I have seen both.. so I believe personality/social skills/ game are just as important… I think it’s probably 50/50 looks/ personality for men and women when looking for a partner…

The thing is, the less reliant a woman is on a man, the more picky she can be especially in terms of looks.

"Women respond to someone who instills intense and memorable emotion (either good or bad) in them" Could be, but what it has to do with the game? What kind of emotion an unattractive person could give at all? Disgust at most. Handsome asshole is very different story. Again, nothing to do with the game. "The opportunities are generally not acted upon because the career risk " That is the key probably ) Girls are playing it safe and get validation from grown men. And will an ugly 37 old instructor get the same amount of attention as handsome one?

Yes you’re right, but the thing is, dating ≠ attracted. She might have had her fun in her 20s and then settle with her looks-match in her 30s. Yes they are dating, but the amount of affection and the way she treats him in the bedroom… yea it probably wouldn’t be as great as what those guys she’s been with in her 20s experienced.

"Don't we need social circles to be able to fallback on more than looks?" I did so much better when I worked in office full of girls than on Tinder. But while Tinder and Instagram is a new norm, who want a social circle if you can afford attractive partner with just a few swipes?

I loved this tbh and I have watched a few of Wheat Waffles’s videos since and although I am not in 100% agreement with everything he says he has clearly got a head on his shoulders and it is even more shocking that he is only 20. I wish him the best with his channel and in the future xxx

Alisha

Using the example of women attracted in spite of receiving insults and the example of women staying with jerks as contradicting game clearly shows that he doesn't know or understand as much about game as he claimed. Women respond to someone who instills intense and memorable emotion (either good or bad) in them. They respond to men who are a challenge, who are confident, and who perceive themselves as better than they are (those who don't pedestalize them). These are all more cogent explanations than looks. I saw a looks-maxer on YouTube claim that women in college are only interested in college men their age, and this was meant to refute the idea that men hit their peak SMV around 37 or so, rejecting the influence of resources, status, etc. I knew quite differently as a college instructor how wrong that was. Women students are very frequently attracted to their male instructors even though we're all largely introverts and eggheads, because we are in a context in which we are in a leadership role. We are the alphas of the classroom. The opportunities are generally not acted upon because the career risk in academics is so high and has been so many many generations prior to me-too. But the existence of the opportunities is obvious. I think the fella interviewed suffers from the myopic world view of a 20 year old. Pleasant fellow, though.

Todd McDaniels

I really like this talk. Very interesting topics got covered. There are 3 things that I noted down 1) The feeling that got me is that nuance isn't this black pill biggest strength. I am 34, and what I am becoming apparent of is the amount of people 'that have figured out the world' and then apply their theory/ideology to everything they come across. This looks a bit like that. I appreciatie your content much more due to the nuances and no-fluff take you have on it. As if you are an older brother / masculine uncle that has lived life and helps you keep the good apart from the bad and to learn to like life for the amount of grey-ness is has in choices. 2) I am totally with him that looks matter to both man and women. Looks make life so much more easy. Why? I am with the theory that we magically attribute traits to better looking people in our head that they better fit our own social/emotional intelligence than then actually do (than if you looked at the 'facts') examples Starting relations (on all levels, not only finding a partner but also friends, groups, businesses): looks definitly make a difference. Early relation: still a thing, you are like 'well he is good looking but men he is a jerk' Longtime relations: yes he is a jerk, I allow him alongside because his good looks can benefit me, but I don't trust him and are very withholding on anything he does. So yes you get a lot more chances when good looking. But its not a certainty you have success from there on. But it can be a life saver for certain. Where people would kick you out otherwise, good looks can help you stay in or get a second chance. 3) A question I have is: I think we (man and women) do emphasis looks currently (in this day and age) more than social stuff. Is my observation correct? Has this always been the case? Don't we need social circles to be able to fallback on more than looks? Granted there is a lot of certainty in the current world so it is easier to 'solo' life, but as life continues you learn that there is nothing more uncertain than life itself. And that the struggle is real. Even for people with maximum looks.

Erik de Roos

Very interesting discussion, but I would raccomand an other title for the YouTube video

Mario Veca

I have always felt this to be true as well - but from a female perspective. Although, some of the specific characteristics you mentioned, besides looks, would likely differ for women.

This goes back to one of Alex’s videos about ‘only men of high self-esteem would understand this’. What kind of bait you throw out affects what kinds of fish you catch. If your partner is attracted to you SOLEY based on your looks, your money and/or your status, if or when any of them are gone, don’t be surprised if she loses attraction and leaves you. A man with a self-esteem that is not based solely on his looks, money and status will look to find a partner of greater sophistication, one who appreciates his morals, his word view, his strong mindset and his ambition etc. and these traits can last a lifetime and hence so can the relationship, as compared to looks, which deteriorated with age. Denying the importance of looks is being ignorant, focusing solely on looks is superficial. Both are not qualities of a high quality individual.

Also Alex I would love to know your thoughts on MBTI and how it ties up in human psychology and if you believe in it or not. Cheers from Canada !

I agree with that looks are a huge factor however I think once you reach that certain thresh hold depending on the individual game may play a bigger part… in my own experience I’ve noticed guys who were objectively a 6 do better than guys who were objectivity a 7… I think you need both to succeed

I LOVE seeing this. I've been viewing a ton of red pill content for about two years now. However, lately, I've found myself gravitating much more towards the black pill, specifically because I know how much looks matter. I don't like misogyny or anything violent. Fortunately, I haven't come across anything violent on any Youtube videos I've ever watched. However, like Alexander said well in one of his videos, personality matters AFTER there's a minimum level of physical attraction. But, like Alexander said, whether red or black pill, learning about womens' nature and learning game, still seem to be invaluable, since we have to live our lives with them. I love women, but I realize knowing how to interact with them is highly beneficial. I'm a Christian first, above any belief system. But, I think learning about all this red and black pill stuff is likely necessary to learning how best to interact with women.

It's making me think about the psychological factors behind why we might not be comfortable looking at this. I think because it is largely something out of our control makes us uneasy. We prefer to think of our fate as being in our own hands rather than pre determined. Still when it comes to science, we have to be committed to reality, no matter what. I still don't see how learning about game and confidence and female psychology could hurt though. Like I said in the interview, almost 15 years ago now but learning game changed my dating life completely, night and day difference and I looked exactly the same.

Alexander Grace

Yes honestly I didn’t take it seriously at first but then I went to his channel and checked out his other videos and thought, “this really explains a lot of things that red pill dating coaches just denounce as ‘lack of confidence’”.

YES! Alexander finally talking about blackpill