More Bull Shit. PLEASE READ THIS!
Added 2020-05-28 17:52:41 +0000 UTC2020 Keeps getting shittier and shittier doesn't it?
The past few months have already been the hardest in terms of patreon pledges and support so when i was recently contacted by Patreon and informed that starting JULY 1st, they would be starting to charge you guys taxes on your pledges, i was pretty upset. This is a huge piss off because they are taxing pretty much everything. That means that even something like a "virtual shout out or thank you" is a "goods/service" and can be taxed. If I do a poll to ask what you guys want to see next, that's considered "exclusive voting power" and is now a taxable service. To be fair this is not patreon doing this, it's the US government, but it's still upsetting.
June 1st patreon will be sending out emails to all of you so keep an eye out for that. They suggested i talk to all of you about it first, but that just them trying to pass more work on to the creator. I wanted to let you know just so you could be prepared, but honestly i know very little about it and patreon is making it seem like it's a great thing.
For now, hereare the two 3 things you need to know.
1) Nothing will change in June so no worries there! Im going to change the names or the tiers as well as the pictures (it make it a bit more fun) but that has noting to do with finances!
2) I may change the rewards/wording of the rewards so that there are less taxable items. For example if I don't list "Voting Polls and Giveaways" as rewards, they can't be taxed. I can still do a poll, it just cant be a reason for singing up. Does that make sense?
3) In July I'll be reducing all the tiers by 10% so that the tax money doesn't come out of your pockets, it comes out of mine. Like i said, its already been hard enough keeping people and getting new people, the last thing i need is and extra expense scaring people off.
In short, its likely not something you need to be worried about, but it is something i wanted you all to be aware of.
I cant thank you all enough for sticking with me, for the support, the love and the energy. I'll do a proper thank you soon but my head is kind of spinning right now.
Comments
We'll see what July brings and your tier shuffle and all that. Being Canadian, I am not getting taxed (yet). Each US state is doing it different, so that hodgepodge (yes, I went there) must make it a headache for creators like yourself. Thanks for keeping us posted, and we've got your back.
John Dwyer
2020-05-30 02:43:55 +0000 UTCWell, I only just joined you this month so all good from my side - you're a great distraction from this crappy world that we currently live in. If that's not worth a few extra dollars than we are all in a far worse situation than what I originally thought. You're doing great - just keep being you. Sending you hugs from sunny Sydney - adhering to social distancing rules of course :-)
Chris
2020-05-30 01:54:52 +0000 UTC🙌So well said Mike🙌
Matt Gibson
2020-05-30 01:03:26 +0000 UTCI do look at this as a business. The reason I’m losing people isn’t because of the amount of skin I show, in fact, the months I do show more i get more. The reason people leave (I can see the reason they select) is because I don’t show enough skin. I’ve also posted a lot about how uncomfortable I am with my body and mixing cosplay and sex appeal. And I talk a lot about how patreon has helped me learn to love myself and my body and has helped get me out of my comfort zone. It’s 1000% acceptable that that’s not what you want to see, I get that. But this page is about me posting thing that I want to post, and I think most people are are here to support that. If you were thinking about leaving i highly suggest you do because I’m going to keep being me and keep trying to evolve.
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:27:18 +0000 UTCYou’re welcome!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:16:34 +0000 UTCHahahah thanks Adam
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:16:10 +0000 UTCThank you! It is annoying, but we will survive
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:15:44 +0000 UTCI love mailing those to you, so I not letting you stop lol
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:15:16 +0000 UTCI saw that and I really appcitate it! Thank you!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:14:31 +0000 UTCWe shall see!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:13:58 +0000 UTCThat’s really sweet, on both accounts. Thank you!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:12:18 +0000 UTCI’m worth 90% of the penny’s according to patreon lol. 75 if you take into account all the fees
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:11:45 +0000 UTCYou’re welcome, just wanted to be open with everyone
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:10:48 +0000 UTCThanks Dustin!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:09:39 +0000 UTCI appricate that but it’s not necessary. It’s a shitty situation but I’ll make it through
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:08:30 +0000 UTCYeah, not a big shocker here lol. Thank you!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:07:47 +0000 UTCYeah, pretty much everyone thoug patreon keeps saying it will only effect “30% of people”
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:07:18 +0000 UTCThanks beau!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:06:37 +0000 UTCDon’t they though? Thank you Robert.
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:06:02 +0000 UTCThank you, I’m trying not!
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:05:32 +0000 UTCIt’s awful
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:05:04 +0000 UTCCause it’s an American company. They’ll be coming for you too lol
Michael Hamm
2020-05-29 14:04:49 +0000 UTCDidn't know you were struggling to keep patreons supporters. My 2 cents : I was thinking about leaving too. I started following you on FB at the very beginning, and pledged on patreon late because I actually wasn't interested in the exclusive (and mainly lewd) content. Soft porn content is readily available for free all over the internet, what made you interesting was your journey, your true nerd moments and the quality cosplay. Everyday since I pledged I've had a quick look but was bored most of the time. I've listened to that podcast where you talk about balancing lewd and cosplay, and I kinda think you might have lost that balance. I used to see a person, a human behind your posts. The email I receive everyday now feel more like meat. It's not all bad, I m making it sounds worse than it is. But maybe you could try and see if you can kinda rebrand or reevaluate your strategy. Sounds gross I know, but in the end this is a business and if you want it to stay afloat and growing you got to treat it as such. But yeah, patreons move sucks
Timothée Pellerin
2020-05-29 11:12:45 +0000 UTCInstead of deciding outright to reduce tier prices, I suggest creating a poll to let us speak to if we want that, to keep prices as is, or the correlary of increasing them by $1 each. We're here to support you, let us speak our opinions in a meaningful way, please.
Michael Shoultz
2020-05-29 10:12:53 +0000 UTCYep 😕
Matt Gibson
2020-05-29 07:18:48 +0000 UTCUgh, dude that sucks! I don't think you need to reduce the price of your tiers though.
Matt Gibson
2020-05-29 07:17:47 +0000 UTCYour integrity and honesty will keep me supporting you
Vance Lapeyrolerie
2020-05-29 01:11:55 +0000 UTCSounds like a good enough reason to step up to the next tier. I appreciate your integrity and honesty.
Matthew Davis
2020-05-28 23:50:28 +0000 UTCThat really sucks! We'll see how much I get dinged (I support 4 accounts).
Michael Mendez
2020-05-28 22:00:07 +0000 UTCthanks for the update!!!
Randy R
2020-05-28 21:14:41 +0000 UTCWhatever happens I’ll be here unless my money dries up from upgrading or whatever I can do to continue to support you!
Adam Jarvis
2020-05-28 20:23:30 +0000 UTCSorry, that sounds annoying for you to deal with. You still have my support!
xoxoFryGuy
2020-05-28 20:05:56 +0000 UTCWe’re here for you because we love what we do, and want to support you. Screw the man and his taxes. I love getting my monthly Hammy pics, but if it means you get to keep more of my pledge or they aren’t taxed, I would be willing to forgo the prints and stay at the level I am. Let’s face it, I don’t have a wall plastered over with your pics. ;) You are the only one I actually get anything physical from, but I also give you more.
Brad Roberts
2020-05-28 19:54:31 +0000 UTCBTW, you can manually edit how much you pay. For example, I am at the $5 tier, but cant quite justify $15 / M atm. I manually changed it to $6 for my payment. The government may nickle and dime, but I'll give you the Whole Dollar. (Minus taxes)
Michael Shoultz
2020-05-28 19:40:29 +0000 UTCAs more monetary transfers go through online this will continue to be more common. We should prepare for that. Personally, I'm not bothered by it, but you are currently the only Patreon I contribute to. I dont think you have much to worry about from us.
Michael Shoultz
2020-05-28 19:33:53 +0000 UTCAs someone mentioned above, this will want to make sure I bump up a level to support you and your awesome work! Just keep doing what you're doing and we will support!
Major Huffhines
2020-05-28 18:59:40 +0000 UTCThat IS some bullshit. Never fear...I'm not going anywhere. You're worth every penny of my support.
Nick Brown
2020-05-28 18:57:04 +0000 UTCThanks for the note. I don't think you'll be losing anyone.
Darren Barford
2020-05-28 18:43:16 +0000 UTCI completely understand. It sucks that they do this to the creators. Stay strong and you won’t lose this supporter! 👍🏼
Dustin Turner
2020-05-28 18:13:45 +0000 UTCI recall getting an email from Patreon about this, so this is not a surprise. I won't tell you how to run your business, because I don't have a problem with paying a bit more to support you, but if my level goes down, that may encourage me to go up to a higher level instead, because I want to be sure you still have the resources you need. Hang in there. We all love you.
David Pasteelnick
2020-05-28 18:10:08 +0000 UTCWhy am I not surprised that they are doing this🤦♂️. Don't worry micheal I'm here to support you no matter what especially through these hard times
Stephen De Mello
2020-05-28 18:03:42 +0000 UTCDoes this also apply for patreons outside of the USA?
Jan-Patrick Osterloh
2020-05-28 18:03:29 +0000 UTCI'll support you as long as I can, like the others here, I love your work, keep it up.
Beau West
2020-05-28 18:01:06 +0000 UTCUgh, the government keeps having to stick its fingers in our wallets. 🙄 But thank you for the transparency and I definitely don't plan to cancel any time soon. I love what you do and wanna keep supporting you for as long as possible.
Robert Floyd
2020-05-28 17:56:31 +0000 UTCSupporting you no matter what. This bs is rediculous but us who love and support you will be here. Don't stress about it 💖
Jc Steele
2020-05-28 17:56:12 +0000 UTCOMG poor you. Patron platforms have become busy because artists can barely cope by and now this.
Olaf Zmit
2020-05-28 17:55:39 +0000 UTCI’m surprised it’s the IRS and not the CRA.
Peter
2020-05-28 17:54:36 +0000 UTC🤦♂️
Peter
2020-05-28 17:54:08 +0000 UTC