The Flash 5x19 Poll!

Barry is worried about the damage Thawne will cause through Nora, while Iris is worried about the damage they'll cause to Nora by pushing her away. Being forced to pick a side, I'll go with Iris. I complete understand why Barry is acting the way he is after everything Thawne has put him through, I just feel that Iris's way has less potential pitfalls. Also, do you think this was Thawne's plan all along? To turn Nora into the new Reverse Flash? Perhaps at the last minute, when Nora has gone full villain, we'll see Thawne come in from the future to save the day as the NEW Flash. It'd be two ways of destroying Barry's legacy while causing him the most pain and giving Eobard what he always wanted: to be the Flash.

Barry no doubt because Iris raised her so she will get to see again. Barry would never get to see her again.

Matthew

I think the obvious answer is Iris. As a parent pushing away and neglecting generally never turns out well. Logically he should've kept her locked in the pipeline until she gave a detailed explanation and after being released tell her she cant go back to Thawne and if she does she cannot return

Welp I Gotta side with Barry .... But only if Iris wanted Exses here if iris just wanted to say goodbye then ok Barry should at least told his Queen .

Ignoring the fact that Barry and Iris might have been too emotionally involved in the decision, it's simply logical to distrust Thawne and if he had been working with Nora, then anything she did could be an unintentional danger to the team.

Luis Garcia

They’re both wrong. They should of sent her back the first episode this season. It’s too late now

Sparda123

I mean she gets Nora ALL to herself in the future.

Gavin Hardiman

SHORT VERSION: Barry was wrong for the right reasons and Iris was right for the wrong reasons. LONGER VERSION: I feel like Barry is more in the right on this issue. After Nora messed up the timeline at the instruction of Reverse Flash Barry is right not to trust her. After all this is a man that manipulated Barry for the majority of is life for his own needs. Of course getting the ticking time-bomb, that is Nora, far away from the present after working with a man that is responsible for a lot of the tragedies in Barry’s life is the right move. Plus Nora is a grown woman. She is going to have to take some responsibility in this. If she was a teenager I would get it. Her lines are along someone I would imagine younger. But Nora has been influencing time and getting people killed and harmed by this New Cicada. Plus Barry has worked with Thawne, yes, but he hasn’t done so in the carefree blissful way that Nora seems to always do. P.S. Love your guys reaction to the show

Gavin Hardiman

I don't know if sending Nora back to the future was the right call, but I definitely think that Barry was right not trust Nora. It wasn't about her intentions, it was about how Thawne might have been using her.

Luis Garcia

Barry went to Reverse Flash when he had no choice. Nora went to Reverse Flash even when she had other choices.

Doby Greg

I chose Barry. Only because it bothered me when Iris admitted it didn't bother her that Nora was learning from RF. At first I understood why (given the circumstances), however it still doesn't change the fact that Nora still went back to him even after learning he's the reason her grandmother is dead and she had Barry to go to for any speedster questions she might have had. That's just messed up. Yes I agree that Iris should have gotten the chance to say goodbye to Nora before Barry forced her to leave, but keep in mind Nora doesn't belong in the past either. She's the reason the present has changed to what it is now and that in itself is dangerous. And can you really blame Barry for having trust issues after all he's been through?

Anthia Grant

I'm with Barry 100%, people who say he's just being emotional are people who refuse to learn from past mistakes. Also I agree with Barry that the fact Nora went back to Thawne is the worst betrayal.

Julia 🍌

Iris even called him out on selfish things he's done.

Matthew Rodkey

See this would never happen but a cool idea Barry could do to figure out this whole not trusting her, but also not abandoning her in the future with the only one for her to go is Thawne, is send her to Jay Garrick ala Bart Allen. After max mercury, Bart Allen lived with jay garrick and learned to mature. That would never happen on this show but wouldn’t that have been a cool idea that would cause less problems? She could learn from him.

Gavin Mcfadden

So I have lots of problems with Barry in this. But, my biggest one is that he’s mad at Nora for doing what he would have done. Hell, Barry has already gone to get advice from Thawne after season one anyway. Nora was scared and alone so Thawne used to emotionally take a hold and he is the only one smart enough to help her. If Barry was in a position like Nora he would make the same decisions, this is proven by watching five seasons of this show and seeing him constantly make those decisions. Also, the way Barry did it was what caused Nora to turn into this reverse Nora

Gavin Mcfadden

Barry was completely in the right but iris had the right to be upset but Barry had perfect reason to send home. I would’ve

Jamie Smith

She is from the futureeeee. She doesnt belong here anywayyyyy. And atleast Iris gets to be there to raise her, BARRY IS SUPPOSED TO DIE!!!! The fudge kindof argument is this!?!?!

Gabriel Garza

Barry is 100% correct. His decision being based off emotion is irrelevant after everything thawne has done to him he is right to mistrust anything to do with him. Maybe thawne isnt trying to manipulate nora or maybe he is doesn't matter for a man who changed the course of history to fit his needs better safe than sorry cut him and anything to do with him out like a cancer.

Iris but mainly because Barry should have consulted with Iris and/or team before speeding off and making that decision. However, the girl's gotta go back at some point.

Amanda Winner

I like Barry but there is absolutely no excuse for what he did. When he was talking about decisions based on emotion, that was all him. Thawne kind of hit the nail on the head when he said how often Barry reacts on emotion. Then again that’s kind of the thing for all of the CW shows. How often do any of the characters make poor decisions because they’re too emotional, it kind of happens every week. Though Iris should care about Thanwe.

CJ

when he could have kept her i the pipeline until they figured things out

WhateverIFeelLike

Iris, it was stupid for Barry to send Nora back to the future because of exactly what happened. Yes he couldn't trust her but he sent her right back into Thawne's hands

WhateverIFeelLike

Iris, all the way. There is NO valid reason why he couldn’t have at least let her say goodbye to HER DAUGHTER before taking her back, period.

Justin Montgomery

They get betrayed by people they love all the time. Like Cisco's father figure or Caitlin's father or an alternate flash. Blind trust is a stupid choice at this point of flash history.

Doby Greg

I can see both sides but I kind of side with iris (never thought I’d say that) Barry should’ve at least talked to her about it. She never got to say goodbye to her daughter. It’s their family and she should be apart of the decision on wether to send Nora back to the future (Da dadada da da). She doesn’t trust thawne but she trusts her daughter. Barry is not listening and just deciding not to listen to her. So ya iris is right

ChiefChill

Iris. Everything with Thawne is an emotional decision often with big consequences for Barry and that might just be what the man is waiting for. He should at least talked with Iris about it

Flashback007

Barry. One of the issues I've had with the writing and with many comments is that because she's their child, she is a child. She's not. She's an adult, close to their ages. I think it's valid to say Barry acted like a child by acting out of emotion, he should have let Iris say goodbye, but adult Nora isn't just a potential threat, she is a potential deadly threat of huge proportions, and Iris was wrong. Nora needed to be gone until they could determine the threat. If Barry made a big mistake, it was just abandoning Nora rather than working to determine the threat after removing her.

The Amish Electrician

I sided with Iris. Understanding that Nora didn’t have her dad and found out about her powers and had no one and wanted to be with her father there was only one choice. Nora was desperate and after feeling so alone she had no one else to turn to. While Nora shouldn’t be here at all, Barry shouldn’t have just taken her away from Iris without letting her put in her opinion or at the least saying goodbye.

Allison

I can't really say. Like you said they're both right and wrong. Barry was way too quick (as you might expect for the Flash) but if Thawn had killed Joe right in front of Iris like he said maybe she'd feel differently. That being said he didn't have the right to deprive a mother from getting to say goodbye to her daughter. Plus Nora went straight back to Reverse Flash, so I guess if I absolutely had to pick I'd say Iris' side

50/50 for me. But Barry should have talked with Iris before all that, so Im with Iris on this one. But her argument with "going in the speedforce" was totally bullshit. "dont go, let the world end, at least i have a few hours with you".. smh. OVERALL they both are wrong cause Nora shouldn't be here.

I'm on barry side because nora doesn't even belong in the present so she should have been sent back ages ago plus as soon she gets back there she goes to thawne

she just wanted to be with her daughter doesnt matter how . barry was wrong not talking it with iris first..she did not even able to say goodbye to her daughter

coffee3sugars

I agree with both of their points but I'm leaning more toward Barry solely because Iris not caring that Nora lied to them about Thawne (of all people!) was cold as fuck

Sam Castle

I was agreeing with both sides, but i cannot stand Iris saying how their daughter has been learning from the man who killed her husband's father does not bother her, and im not a iris hater but man, that was such a shitty thing to say.

Stormageddon Thomason

the first time i agreed with iris but he shouldnt of sent nora back without telling her but i can see why he did it

Am I the only one who wants to see the security footage near Eobards cell how many Nora’s have arrived and spoken to him and how soon after each visit... Eobard must be so amused haha

Daniel Aka Jardo

Simple answer. It's his mom

EXILE169

One thing I didn't understand about iris is she was so upset about not seeing her again but she will later on. I feel for Barry and agree with him more. I think it was super hard for him to do what he did, but on the other hand how broken Barry is by this entire situation I can understand why he is doing everything. Reverse flash did the same thing to Barry and his mom like how he is to Nora's and him. Which I think is why he reacted the way he did.

Mike

I don’t think Barry made the wrong choice, however I do think he should have discussed it with Iris first. After all, she is his wife and the mother of his child that he took back to the future forever.

Dylan Carpenter

They both made excellent points. I really liked this fight because it felt so raw and authentic. The pain was real for both of them and they were honest about that with each other.

Splashdown

From everything I've learned about Barry in the show and comics is that he can never be trusted to make important and rational decisions when it comes to Reverse-Flash. In every opportunity, Barry has made bad decisions that not only gave Thawne opportunity and reason to keep coming back but also in becoming the Reverse-Flash in the first place.

Alberto Sanchez

He should have let Iris say goodbye. But Nora is her past (something that shouldn't be done)and they learned she has been playing them since she arrived . They should send her to the future wether Iris like it or not. Of couse they should explain why it's necessary and let Iris get a last hug.

Doby Greg

But she's from the future. It would be like if you gave a kid to adoption 20 years later he decides to live with you but then you discover he is best friend with a man you have a restricting order against because he tried to poison you a couple time. I think in this condition you can tell the kid to move out even if you don't discuss it.

Doby Greg

She was in the past. She wasn't exiled, she was returned home. Do we want Barry living with his mom in the past?

Doby Greg

It's her present. Keeping her in the past is bad. But he probably should have run her after the 10mnts and let Iris say bye.

Doby Greg

I think she said she didn't to hurt him not because she thinks it. Once she's in the future she try to keep her away from Thawne.

Doby Greg

She's from the future. She's a grown adult they know a couple months not someone they raised themselves are responsible for.

Doby Greg

Being forced i would say possibly barry, but i agree with nora and reverse flash 100%

julio morales

Keeping around someone they don't know is a mistake they made and payed for often and shouldn't make again.

Doby Greg

I understand barry.but they are both Nora's is parents it should have been a joint decision.so Im siding with iris

And Barry doing what he did had Nora go down the dark side of the negative speed force. So Iris.

Darth Kal-El (Cory Weston)

Only she hasn’t.

Darth Kal-El (Cory Weston)

That isn’t even part of this argument.

Darth Kal-El (Cory Weston)

Iris. Nora is both of their daughter. Decisions should be made as a team. By both of them. She is not just Barry’s daughter. And at least give Iris the chance to say goodbye. Which Barry didn’t do.

Darth Kal-El (Cory Weston)

I side with Barry, I've felt all season like Nora is being manipulated, but I understand Iris.

Kevin Bartelen

I agreed with Barry’s reason, but not his execution. Barry shouldn’t have done it in secret and explained himself logically to Nora and Iris. The first time Nora helped out she destroyed the satellite and it changed the timeline. That felt like a honest mistake, but with Thawne in play now they have to wonder if Nora’s actions were a mistake or an intentional play made by Thawne. Plus a Future Grace showed up in Thawne’s time bubble out of nowhere. It seems fishy. Taking Nora out of play just to make sure Thawne’s influence doesn’t impact their future plans to stop Cicada II and play into his hands would be my first thought. If Barry actually explained it to Nora that way maybe she would have left and stayed away from Thawne vs. just sending her home in a huff.

Jjop017

I agree with Iris saying that Barry should have discussed it with the team but gonna have to side with Barry because Iris is being too naive about Reverse Flash and is being hypocritical about basing decisions on emotions.

And to clarify I know that Eobard is evil, but let’s say you royal screw up as a kid and your dad was like ok your done you can’t live here anymore and kicks you out of the house without ever talking to your mom. How well do you think that will go over. That’s the best comparison I can make. And maybe your mom agrees with his decision, but you don’t take action without discussing it first.

Andrew Courtney

I went with Iris, Barry really should have expected the reaction he got and Nora's Reaction as well. He has a history of acting on Emotion and really didn't think about how his Wife would react to exiling their Daughter without her knowledge. Nora already has Daddy issues with not knowing him now she'll feel abandoned by her father.

Ryan Witalison

I can see where both are coming from, and both are wrong in certain points, but I sort of side with Iris, at least on the stance that Barry should have talked with her about it, and that it also wasn't a good idea to leave Nora alone with Eobard.

Ian Vega

I am on the fence, as I thought both had points that were right and wrong, but if I have to side with someone I would side with Barry because I think Iris was being insensitive to what Barry truly feels about reverse flash, and the fact she didn't care makes it harder for me to side with her

Tucker Lobner

Sorry but I gotta go Iris. Everyone will make the “We Are Flash” jokes but the real point is any major decision made about your child, should be discussed by both parents if they are both present in that child’s life. I am not a parent but most of my friends are and the biggest mistake you can make is to make unilateral decisions. Communication is key people.

Andrew Courtney

100% Barry because its Reverse Flash, it would be a different story if it was someone like Captain Cold/Leonard Snart

Deadpool

I voted Barry. Honestly they are both right and both wrong, but I still haven't forgiven Iris for ruining last season so Barry wins.

Chris Peacock

I voted Iris but only because I understand both points, but I don't agree with Barry's action of sending her back to her time. Knowing the Reverse Flash, Barry should atleast know that he has anticipated his reaction, making him (RF) look caring in Nora's eyes.

Iris turns a blind eye towards Thawne because it’s her daughter. Barry turns a blind eye towards his daughter because it’s Thawne. Both are wrong, and both are right.

I Am Groot

I’m like 60/40 leaning towards Barry. Both had some really valid arguments but with EOBARD THAWNE you can’t take any chances.

I Am Groot

Barry because of what Iris does in the future by placing that chip in Nora. That cause Nora to work with Thawne and lie to everyone in present. Iris should back Barry play because she knows all the pain Thawne had cause Barry.

I'm just happy someone finally called Barry out on his shit. Ever since season 2 time and time again Barry makes all the big desicsions based of his feelings with no regard for how it affects others. I mean flashpoint, speed force prision' savitar . yo go iris I'm with ya gurl

Tilted Krow

Barry. She helped a killer and manipulated them. Also she's in her past not the present.Sending her home and away from team is right.

Doby Greg

Iris, because you speed-forced me to choose. Otherwise, both.

Tumbili

Iris all the way, Nora is your daughter and you have to support her! Help her learn from her mistakes like you have done you hypocrite (Barry)!

Michael Smith

I think they were both wrong but if I had to choose a side I’d go with Iris because Barry’s choice led to Nora using the negative speed force

Christian Bolda

Barry for sure. I know it's their daughter so I see Iris' point but like, she's working with or at the very least willingly interacting with the single most evil man Barry has ever met. So it stands to reason that he feels betrayed and feels like he can't trust Nora. It would be like finding out your kid's working with Hitler. There's no right way to handle that situation.

The Humanomaly

I can totally understand both, but at the very least Iris just wanted to say goodbye. Barry was understandably upset, but he still should have talked to everyone

SpeedyCat19

Yeah it's Barry. Sorry Iris :(

Hunter Tober-McGivern