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banned from Ci-en

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ご利用ありがとうございます。

Ci-en審査係です。


この度、クリエイター様が投稿されております記事や有料プランに関しまして

「コイカツ」を使用されているものとお見受けいたしました。


しかしながら、「コイカツ」の商用利用は禁止されているものかと存じますので

有料支援受付機能の凍結を行わせていただきました。


恐れ入りますが、本日より3日以内に該当コンテンツの削除を行い、

こちらのメールに返信くださいますようお願い申し上げます。


なお、期限内に該当コンテンツが削除されない場合、また返信のない場合には、

アカウントを凍結させていただきますので、何卒ご了承ください。

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Ci-enからこのような通報を受けました。はぁ。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

もうsubscribestar.adultしかありませんねぇ…でもいつアカウント承認されるかどうか…あ…もう…


ci-enの支援はちょっと待ってくださいとの事だったのですがそれでももうすでに支援してしまっている4人様にはpixivの方のPM機能でe-mailアドレスをお送りください。subscribestar.adultのアカウントが承認されるまでの作業物を個人的に配布させて頂きます。






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Thank you for your interest.

This is the Ci-en review staff.


We are writing to inform you that we have detected that you are using “Koikatsu” for the articles and paid plans that you have posted.

We understand that you are using “Koikatsu” for your articles and paid plans.


However, we understand that the commercial use of “Koikatsu” is prohibited.

We have frozen the function of accepting paid support.


We apologize for the inconvenience, but we will remove the relevant content within 3 days from today,

Please reply to this e-mail after deleting the relevant content within 3 days from today.


If you do not delete the relevant content by the deadline, or if you do not reply to the e-mail, we will freeze your account,

If you do not delete the content by the deadline or do not reply, we will freeze your account.

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I received such a report from Ci-en. Huh 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

I guess I only have to subscribe.adult now... but when will my account be approved or not... oh... gosh...


I told you to wait a bit for ci-en's support, but for the 4 of you who have already done so, please send me your e-mail addresses via pixiv's PM function and I will personally distribute my works until my subscribestar.adult account is approved.




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感谢您的关注。

这里是 Ci-en 审核人员。


我们写信通知您,我们发现您在发布的文章和付费计划中使用了 “Koikatsu”。

我们理解您在文章和付费计划中使用 “Koikatsu”。


但是,我们知道禁止将 “Koikatsu ”用于商业用途。

我们已经冻结了接受付费支持的功能。


给您带来的不便我们深表歉意,但我们将从即日起 3 天内删除相关内容、

请从即日起 3 天内删除相关内容后回复此邮件。


如果您未在截止日期前删除相关内容,或者未回复此邮件,我们将冻结您的账户、

如果您在截止日期前没有删除相关内容,或者没有回复邮件,我们将冻结您的账户。

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我从 Ci-en 收到过这样的报告。呵呵 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

我想我现在只需要订阅.成人......但是我的账户什么时候会被批准呢?


我跟你们说过要等一下 ci-en 的支持,但是对于你们中已经这样做的 4 位,请通过 pixiv 的 PM 功能将你们的电子邮件地址发给我,我会亲自分发我的作品,直到我的 subscribestar.adult 帐户被批准为止。




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관심을 가져주셔서 감사합니다.

Ci-en 검토 담당자입니다.


귀하가 게시한 기사 및 유료 플랜에 “코이카츠”를 사용하고 있음을 감지하여 알려드리고자 이 글을 작성하게 되었습니다.

기사 및 유료 플랜에 '코이카츠'를 사용하고 계신 것으로 알고 있습니다.


그러나 “코이카츠”의 상업적 이용은 금지되어 있음을 알고 있습니다.

유료 지원 수락 기능을 동결했습니다.


불편을 드려 죄송하지만 오늘부터 3일 이내에 관련 콘텐츠를 삭제하겠습니다,

오늘부터 3일 이내에 관련 콘텐츠를 삭제한 후 이 메일에 회신해 주시기 바랍니다.


기한 내에 관련 콘텐츠를 삭제하지 않거나 이메일에 답장을 보내지 않으면 계정이 정지됩니다,

기한까지 콘텐츠를 삭제하지 않거나 답장을 보내지 않으면 계정이 동결됩니다.

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Ci-en으로부터 이러한 신고를 받았습니다. 허 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

이제 구독.성인만 하면 될 것 같은데... 제 계정은 언제 승인되나요... 오... 세상에...


ci-en의 지원을 조금 기다리라고 말씀드렸는데, 이미 신청하신 4분은 pixiv의 PM 기능을 통해 이메일 주소를 보내주시면 구독자.adult 계정이 승인될 때까지 제가 직접 작품을 배포해드리겠습니다.




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感謝您的關注。

這裏是 Ci-en 審覈人員。


我們寫信通知您,我們發現您在發佈的文章和付費計劃中使用了 “Koikatsu”。

我們理解您在文章和付費計劃中使用 “Koikatsu”。


但是,我們知道禁止將 “Koikatsu ”用於商業用途。

我們已經凍結了接受付費支持的功能。


給您帶來的不便我們深表歉意,但我們將從即日起 3 天內刪除相關內容、

請從即日起 3 天內刪除相關內容後回覆此郵件。


如果您未在截止日期前刪除相關內容,或者未回覆此郵件,我們將凍結您的賬戶、

如果您在截止日期前沒有刪除相關內容,或者沒有回覆郵件,我們將凍結您的賬戶。

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我從 Ci-en 收到過這樣的報告。呵呵 。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

我想我現在只需要訂閱.成人......但是我的賬戶什麼時候會被批准呢?


我跟你們說過要等一下 ci-en 的支持,但是對於你們中已經這樣做的 4 位,請通過 pixiv 的 PM 功能將你們的電子郵件地址發給我,我會親自分發我的作品,直到我的 subscribestar.adult 帳戶被批准爲止。

Comments

The long explanation is in my reply comment to the other guy at the bottom, so read it if you're interested. The short version: Yes. as you said, someone who hates me very much personally hounds me and trolling me with accusations. Japanese companies have a culture of bureaucracy and are sensitive to outside complainers. "Mosaic is weak" "Too sexual" "Gender inequality" "Violence" Anyone can report an artist on pixiv for any of these reasons---Whether the accusations are true or not, the work will be suspended first. This process on pixiv is automated, and the artist will have to re-upload their suspended work. usually there's nothing wrong with it and they'll get a response from pixiv "it was our mistake, sorry just go on" but this is very annoying for the artist, which is why this is a common tactic to terrorize artists on pixiv. Pixiv artists call it "ping-pong-dash-terrorism"😅 (ping-pong-dash: the prank of children ringing the doorbell and running away).

180517木曜日

Yeah, I know that he's a Chinese.If the culture of bullying koikatsu creators is not applied on Ci-en, why did they suspend your account? the words "I make homemade anime with Koikatsu" or some reports of the others who hate you?. Really sad news btw

alimmsi

That person isn't Japanese, is he? The culture of bullying koikatsu creators is, sadly, Japanese culture especially in the Pixiv(and it's FANBOX).

180517木曜日

I know there's a RPG game maker about SAO using koikatsu studio. and he's a quite famous as I know. as you mentioned, maybe writing the word 'koikatsu' was a problem then..

alimmsi

I just wrote "I make homemade anime with Koikatsu" on my profile screen. However, 1. account suspended after only 1 day, despite not uploading anything because it was a preparation phase 2. other koikatsu creators are still active on CI-EN just fine. Even the character card and scene card sellers. That's why I think this is a malicious report by someone.

180517木曜日

Did you get vans for writing the phrase 'using Koikatsu' directly on CI-EN? I'm so sorry to hear that

alimmsi

Thank you. I would like to resume my activities on other platforms from the 15th at the latest.

180517木曜日

It's really frustrating to watch this happening to you, but as long as you keep posting, I'll keep following!

archfiend-malus

从你的回答中,感觉你又回到之前几个月状态了,想找一个好的😂。其实能支持国际支付,能够支持大量上传的平台也就几个,但是目前观察下来只要被举报或者使用koikatsu创作收益过高就会被处理。其实你按照已有的模式更新就行了。

fly2000

And as you can imagine, it's really hard to stop violence in the name of a cause. ILLUSION has already been dissolved, and it has been announced that there is no continuation company to take over their rights. There are no legal issues with me using Koikatsu in the way I do now, but the issue of morals is still in a gray area, and I am helpless in front of the mace of justice. Platforms are not going to take the side of Koikatsu creators because they want to avoid legal issues and avoid complainers.

180517木曜日

In the past, when Koikatsu was released and became a huge hit, many players uploaded a lot of their screenshots to pixiv. pixiv is a site for illustrators, and their fans were the majors, so for them, the mass uploading of Koikatsu creations was an eyesore. So at the time, the mainstream opinion on pixiv was that "if you're an honest and sincere fan, you should protect the illustrators we love by suppressing people who create with koikatsu." So constant harassment of koikatsu creators was the unspoken rule on pixiv. It's gotten much better now, but there are still a lot of bullies out there. This harassment against koikatsu creators has a motto. "This person is creating something that ILLUSION prohibits by their terms + posting screenshots of their game on pixiv, a site for illustrators, is unscrupulous = my attack is a righteous act to protect illustrators", and it's been done over and over again.

180517木曜日

But these terms are basically in violation of copyright law, they're unfair terms, so they're not legally enforceable. as you know, copyright is created and the rights belong to the artist. What would happen if Adobe one day said, "All paintings created with Photoshop are copyrighted by Adobe." :) ...But ILLUSION's terms make it clear that their position is -as an Eroge-maker, we don't want to be in the public eye- so people like me who create with their software need to respect their wishes. So I've tried to do my work in a way that doesn't infringe on their rights as much as possible. I'm trying to take the stance that I'm not selling character data or scene data, so I'm trying to take the stance that it's a sponsorship of my creative work, but in reality, even my actions are in a gray area.

180517木曜日

A little background: ILLUSION, after the US Senate brought up their game "Raplay" in the past. There's a lot of details here. Japanese adult games, called eroge, are based on the underground of undergrounds. But the demand created by the growth of the 3D market has brought their games to the attention of foreign countries, and for ILLUSION, it's been a bit of an unexpected disaster. so after the actions of US senate, there was some controversy about the regulation of adult games, ILLUSION added a clause to the terms of every game they make that says "The copyright of all scene data, character cards, *screenshots* created by this game belongs to ILLUSION." This clause was created as a disclaimer for what players of their games create. In response to people overseas saying, "Don't make unscrupulous adult games like this!", they wanted to say, "We're putting these terms in, so it's not our responsibility, it's the responsibility of the individual player."

180517木曜日

I believe Patreon has a mechanism to allow instant access to Discord when someone sponsors you. Like the artist Bazzet uses. By the way, his account has been active for quite some time, so I think the system works! 2 - I don't see the need to mention that your content is made in Koikatsu, as it's not like you're selling mods or updates of the game; you're simply selling art that was created using the TOOL that is Koikatsu. For instance, if I create visual art using Clipstudio Paint, I'm not selling part of Clipstudio; it's simply visual art, and no one needs to know where it was created. I think this could help avoid these illogical bans for selling 'Koikatsu content. Also, I just want to say that for over three months I've been coming here once or twice a day hoping for some update. If someone is really sabotaging you, I CURSE THEM!

lowlife

你说得没错,现在看来最好的办法就是选一个既能快速完成工作又不影响质量的地方,但据我现在的观察,那些不太出名的地方不出名是有原因的,我想我得从中挑出一个精品。

180517木曜日

我是比较习惯的,毕竟我那边环境是不允许r18作品的😂。感觉目前好的体验不是优先项目,大环境随时在变化,保证你可以更新并且获取赞助能更好的生活,赞助者能获取到作品,能够正向循环才是最重要的。过多时间放在寻找好体验的平台,无法更新无法获取赞助,为了生活又不得打工,这种恶性循环需要避免。

fly2000

我想看看一些较小的平台。 我想我会选择你说的作为最后的手段。 我觉得你们下载、解压、再解压压缩文件很麻烦(我... 其实我还挺适应的(笑)

180517木曜日

今はマイナーなプラットフォームを見回していますが…どうしてもマイナーなだけあって問題が色々とありますね…もうちょっと見回して見て今月中には再開したいのですがどうなるやら。 コイカツでの創作のクレイ―な所はまぁ自分でも理解はしていますが、著作権の権利行使はその権利を持つ側によるものです。illusionはもう解散しているし、その以前も著作権の権利行使をした事はないのですが…まぁこれがコイカツ嫌いな人達には大義名分を与えている事ですね。コイカツが嫌われるのはpixivでの問題です。コイカツが発売した時期はpixivにコイカツのスクショが大量にアップロードされて、イラストレーター目当ての人たちに迷惑をかけていた事は事実ですからね。pixivはイラストレーターの為のサイトだ!失せろ!と言うのは当時からのpixivでは当たり前の空気でした。私はスクショ乱取りではなく、作り手の個性が出ているちゃんとしたモノを作ろうとしてはいますが…その人達に分かって貰えるのは難しいですね…

180517木曜日

停止ばかりですよね。コイカツの作品の何があかんねんって言いたいですよね。まぁ何回停止されても僕は180517木曜日さんの作品が見たいです。特にストブラを。 subscribestar.adultの他にプラットフォームは考えてない感じですか?

anwtgd139

所以看过的最麻烦的使用 “Koikatsu”大体量创作的更新模式:不发作品,直接私讯发给赞助者云盘文件的分享链接,在文件中更新,每月更新文件的分享链接,来躲避举报检测。🤣

fly2000

As you know, my work is very voluminous, so it's a bit difficult to distribute it privately. If I distribute it to you privately, I have to give other people the same rights, which is difficult to do. Please wait a little bit. I'll find the next platform, or I'll release FANBOX for free.

180517木曜日

同一人物なのかわ分かりませんがpixivで活動始めてからでもう粘着さんはいたのですからAIって線はないなぁと思いますが…まぁ自分の気のせいだと良いですね。とにかくもうマイナーなプラットフォームとかも見回してみるつもりです

180517木曜日

なんというか見通せないのがつらいですね。早くみたいと言うのもありますが、、、 この早さだと人為的というより、AI判断かもしれないですけど、実際どうなんだろうというかんじです。

ウィズ1

I talking about the old posts. And it's really a shame that there's someone trying to take you down. Is there a way you can send it on Pixiv messages on a zip file or if I send you my email on the Pixiv messages? Will it work?

ammartahe788

And since I'm pretty sure that this whole thing is happening because of a malicious stalker (koikatsu hater or ntr hater) (my ci-en account was bombed even though I haven't uploaded anything yet, just declaring that I'm creating with koikatsu. it means: If my account was checked even though no content was uploaded, it was because someone reported my account.), I'm pretty sure that if I release the entire fanbox for free, he'll do the same thing and the fanbox will be bombed within a day or two. So I'm considering this as a last resort.

180517木曜日

Do you mean old posts, or will there be new ones? If it's old posts, I haven't decided what to do with them yet, but in a spirit of despair, I'm thinking of making the entire fanbox free. If it's new posts: I can't get to work on anything new.

180517木曜日

You really can't catch a break... I'm sorry this keeps happening to you. 🙁 Is there any way for me the to have the ToLove posts until you wait for Subscribestar.adult?

ammartahe788

考えてくれたんですね。ありがとうございます。 実は一番未練があったのがかのかりシリーズなので、それだけでもなんとかしていただければ... もちろん無理にとは言いません。

ハルキ

这种极端者是比较麻烦的。还是推荐先放链接看下效果😂。走一步看一步了。

fly2000

それなのですよねぇ…捨て身でFANBOXの既存ポストを全体公開してしまおうかとも思っています…量が量ですので個人的配布はとてもとても…😅そうなれば最悪FANBOXが停止されてもkemonoとかいう海賊サイトが勝手に盗んで行くはずですからそこでアーカイブになってファンの皆様の為にはなるかなと…ははははは

180517木曜日

事实上,在 pixiv 上,骚扰 koikatsu 创作者是一种为大局着想的正义之举,因为日本网络的氛围是,pixiv 是插画家的网站,而 koikatsu 则是他们厚颜无耻的竞争对手。🤣

180517木曜日

せめて過去の作品の圧縮ファイルを個人的な取引とかで送っていただけませんか? 去年閉鎖された前に全部ダウンロードできていなかったことをずっと悔いています...

ハルキ

他们可能只是没有收到通知,因为他们没有受到跟踪者的骚扰,我有几个跟踪者有点讨厌,我不知道是讨厌 NTR 的人还是讨厌 koikatsu 的人,但他们从 2018 年开始就一直在欺负我 ,所以我不认为依赖平台是个好主意。

180517木曜日

As it turned out, I have to agree with you - I guess it was my desire to avoid interrupting my creative time by relying on the convenience of the platform. many platforms are not allies of people like me... Creating with koikatsu is in a gray zone, and they don't allow gray zones.

180517木曜日

在fanbox中,我看到被网站提示的作者使用链接更新也没有影响,可以先用免费mega网盘的链接模式更新,等到你的账户批准后再正常进行。

fly2000

Not ideal. At this rate, my previous suggestion about making a Dsicord and manually tracking Patreon subs to determine who gets access to the works might be the most feasible solution. And that's also really not ideal.

Darkrai69

あ、4人様への個人的な配布と言っても規模が少ないので単なる圧縮ファイルのe-mailやり取りのつもりです…500円分は返さないと…

180517木曜日

すみませんどうしたらいいのか全然わかりません…長く準備して多分ショックもちょっと大きいですね…この一連の事は多分NTR嫌いの粘着さんによる通報で起きていると思いますのでプラットフォーム構わなく起きるかも知れませんし…個人的な支援ってどうやれば良いのか分かりませんし…頭冷やさないと…冷静さを取り戻してから考えて見ます…有難う御座いますそしてごめんなさい…

180517木曜日

個人的な支援方法はありますか? 個人的な配布ができるならいくらでも出すので…

ハルキ

大変だぁ・・・・・・

諸星おじさん

しかし何もアップしていないのにこの速さでの停止かぁ…粘着さん仕事早いなぁ…GWだしなぁ…

180517木曜日


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